Friday January 30, 2009 5:35 pm

FFA Futsal Review and Research Survey – Updated

Make sure you have your say in how the sport is run in Australia

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*** Update 30/1/2009 : One more day to go! ***

Update 19/1/2009 : Chris Muldoon from SportBusiness Partners (the team doing the survey) has dropped us a line to let us know they have received 225 completed surveys since putting it online, and that they have also extended the deadline to the 31st of January.

We here at Futsal4all urge you to tell everyone you know that there is still time to fill it out. You have a genuine opportunity here to help shape the future of the sport here in Australia, so make the most of it.

For those of you worried recently that you may not get a chance to have your say during the FFA Futsal review, an official online survey is now available.

This is your opportunity to have some input into the review and have your voice heard. We strongly urge EVERYONE in Futsal to take the time to fill out the Survey.

Whether you are a Vikings or a FFA supporter, its very important you take the few minutes to share your thoughts on the sport we all love, so it be put on the right path nationwide and come out from under the shadow of Football.

The deadline for entries is 5pm on January the 31st.

From the Survey Website :

The FFA and their respective Member Federations (State and Territory Bodies) are committed to growing Futsal across Australia. As part of this process, the FFA has commissioned Sport Business Partners to conduct a review of Futsal to identify how the delivery of the game can be strengthened throughout Australia. Included in this process is the opportunity to interview Futsal players and others involved in the game to understand attitudes and opinions on how the game of Futsal is seen across the club, state and National levels. We are interested in the opinions of players, coaches, referees and administrators and would like to include your views.

This survey will take about 10-12 minutes to complete. Responses should be received by January 31 at 5pm. If you have any queries about this survey you can contact Martin Hirons at Sport Business Partners via e-mail at martin@sportbusiness.com.au

Click here to go to the survey and have your say!

Click here to go to the survey and have your say!

Click here to go to the survey and have your say!

Source : Futsal Nationals Website

79 Responses to “FFA Futsal Review and Research Survey – Updated”

    Any news on this review?

    Simon on April 12th, 2009 12:05 pm

    Can’t find it anywhere.
    Can’t find a website for Sport Business Parnters either – who are they?
    How can we be sure of their credentials – surely the Crawford report into Soccer Australia in 2003 (and all it’s comments on nepotism & cronyism) taught us to be wary…

    Those of us who have ever been involved in producing surveys may already have some idea of where the questions in this particular survey are supposed to lead.

    Don’t think that this review can honestly be described as “Independent” do you?

    Stegness on April 14th, 2009 10:40 am

    My apologies. I have misconstrued the use of the word independent.

    I assumed an independent review was being conducted for the nationwide benefit of the sport futsal, regardless of provider. Sorry FFA, seems you are independently looking for ways to lift your game (so to speak) and good on you for doing so.

    Is a report going to be published? Having indirectly helped to fund this review (via registration fees) it would be nice to see the end result.

    Stegness on April 14th, 2009 11:09 am

    Here’s me talking to myself….

    Sport Business Parnters used to be Sports Business Solutions found here: http://www.sportbusiness.com.au

    I will pull my head in now (probably)

    Stegness on April 14th, 2009 11:16 am

    What would be the percentage of Futsal supporters/players interviewed for this review

    225 responses on this website and interviews in all states with majority of Football orientated administrators at their State offices and the like, would not add up to probably 1% of dedicated Futsal supporters/ players in Australia.

    Low percentage for something that will affect thousands of players

    Does anyone know the figure of players in Australia?

    Were any players even interviewed?

    Would players be in the range of 50,000 to 100,000 ?

    If you set the terms of reference for this revue you probably already know what the outcomes will be at the end.

    zacariah on April 14th, 2009 2:35 pm

    I did the survey. :) Would like to know what the final results are. Maybe those that took the time to do the survey will get the results [/dreaming]. If only 225 people did the survey it shows how apathetic we all are.

    PJ on April 14th, 2009 3:35 pm

    Yes, you can’t knock them(FFA) for putting out a survey and trying to get people to complete it. Maybe we need to get behind a few initiatives and give our ideas through a medium that they will actually take some notice of, than continually whinging and bitching about the game, but not doing anything constructive to try and help it along. The survey was available for anyone interested to complete, so obviously there are only 225 of us that are really interested in Futsal, and the rest are just along for the ride!

    mumbler on April 14th, 2009 10:10 pm

    Note it was 225 completed entries as of the 19th of Jan. There were another 12 days for potential entries to be submitted. We have asked SportsBusiness partners if they have an updated figure they would like to share and will post it here if they supply it.

    In regards to the FFA Review, the draft report was given to the FFA on March 15th. An internal workshop followed this in late March to consider the report and its recommendations. We should therefore see the results anytime now.

    Once it is published for public consumption, Futsal4all will make it available here.

    Futsal4All Admin on April 14th, 2009 11:15 pm

    My point being that , if you are serious about a revue then you should possibly be looking at surveying and talking to a larger number of people.

    And sadly not all Futsal people know about this website to fill out the survey online.

    So I feel whatever the results, it will be information gained from too small a number of people for it to be a accurate sampling of players or supporters.

    It was a good idea to have a revue and it will be interesting to see what Football has install for us all.

    zacariah on April 14th, 2009 11:48 pm

    Hi Zacariah,

    Participants and attendees at the Canberra Nationals were asked to complete the survey. As players & officials from most states were in attendance, it would have provided a greater sampling. On top of this, various Futsal bodies and representatives were interviewed at length.

    Frank Rossi on April 15th, 2009 8:44 am

    “It was a good idea to have a revue and it will be interesting to see what Football has install for us all.”

    By the way Zac, a “REVUE” is a musical presentation, usually done by amateur groups at Uni, Colleges or High Schools; I think you meant “REVIEW”. Also when you said “INSTALL”, did you mean “IN STORE” by any chance????

    May be the FFA could not understand what you wrote in your survey… but I am sure they appreciated your feedback nonetheless.

    fence sitter on April 15th, 2009 11:23 am

    Fence Sitter -yeah should always proof before posting,

    Frank – any idea of numbers in total, I was also interviewed at length, and I am person who believes that Futsal should be a sport in it’s own right. but after the questions and opinions of Football persons also in attendance, I will be interested to see what Football has in store, I don’t hold much hope that futsal will be a sport in it’s own right…… and perhaps as the some posts on this site say – it will be a training game for Football and money raising in off season

    I would love to be proven wrong

    zacariah on April 15th, 2009 5:05 pm

    Watch it Fence sitter, I thought the sarcasm was my privilege !lol Having a review at the FFA nationals is a bit like asking the fans at a Socceroo match if they prefer Football, or synchronised swimming !

    But to be fair we did all have the chance to say our peace/piece ! (Perhaps thats why its taking so long as the thoughts of the FFA controlling Futsal is NOT a good idea for many !)

    Zacariah, be rest assured that Vikings are there to provide futsal as a sport in its own right. More children each year are saying they prefer it to the outdoor game so we have to make it reachable for those kids at least !

    F.SALA on April 15th, 2009 5:24 pm

    Hi Zacariah,

    I’m not privy to the numbers but queues at the laptops were consistent.
    I tend to agree with F.Sala in that Futsal will remain as a sport in its own right.
    This has been further inhanced by the AFC having a Futsal Club Championship with NSW participating in June and having declared similar plans for Youth & Womens as listed in an AFC article on this site.

    Frank Rossi on April 16th, 2009 6:27 am

    There’s a first for Futsal4all – Frank Rossi agreeing with F.Sala ! lol The current problems are then highlighted by Frank saying that futsal is further enhanced by the AFC……etc etc… What, ? futsal only progresses at the whim (or otherwise) of the AFC ( or the FFA or FIFA for that matter) ?. Thats exactly why futsal has to be independent of these outdoor football oriented bodies. I’m not having a go at you Frank as I know what you intended, but it does show our mentality towards the two sports, no ?

    F.SALA on April 16th, 2009 7:11 am

    Hi F.Sala,

    The answer is no. We agree on most things but we differ in that I don’t think this sport can afford to exclude anyone.

    Frank Rossi on April 16th, 2009 8:32 am

    Surely Frank futsal is in its poor current condition because the detractors are still involved. The football coaches who threaten players with all sorts of penalties if they play futsal, the administrators who readily take futsal players money and return nothing to the sport. The ‘acronyms’ (FIFA, FFA etc) who treat futsal as a minority sport in all respects ! We CAN afford to exclude anyone but I doubt that we can be effective at it !

    F.SALA on April 16th, 2009 8:48 am

    The survey was a great idea – It could perhaps have been better publicized – I only found it last week (alas too late for my opinions to count) I was looking for some sort of report on the FFA futsal review and found the survey quite by accident.

    Perhaps if all bodies involved with futsal (FFA, it’s state bodies, Vikings and all the independent providers) had been alerted and in turn alerted their players – participation may have been greater.

    A larger and more representative cross-selection of participants would surely deliver a more accurate idea of what PLAYERS want. Not what FFA want, not what Vikings or anyone else wants.

    Incidentally, how much did this review cost?

    Stegness on April 16th, 2009 8:58 am

    Hi F.Sala,
    Detractors will always be a problem but we have to deal with these issues one at a time from the inside. There will always be players that play both sports and there will always be coaches that will push for their own sport from both sides of the fence. Administrators and Privateers that take advantage will continue to exist as long as there’s money to be made. Our job is to keep providing a value product to the punter and outing those that would take advantage.

    Frank Rossi on April 16th, 2009 9:27 am

    I know I keep pushing the Vikings boat out but they do have solutions for most of those problems………………….Many wont like it but eventually you’ll end up with more loyal futsal players. – When you have nothing to do with football the choices are easier !

    F.SALA on April 16th, 2009 4:52 pm

    Like I said “We agree on most things but we differ in that I don’t think this sport can afford to exclude anyone” but we can be effective in drafting policies that suit and compliment the variety of situations. Anyway I’ll leave you to your boat.

    Frank Rossi on April 16th, 2009 6:29 pm

    Why do I shudder when I read “we can be effective in drafting policies…” ? That sounds like old fashioned football committee talk ! Futsal doesn’t need committees it needs doers !….ooops the longboats out again !

    F.SALA on April 16th, 2009 6:48 pm

    For someone who keeps on and on about “doing” you sure spend a lot of time talking on this website F.Sala.

    Paul on April 16th, 2009 7:20 pm

    Now I can just tell you are intelligent enough to see that 99% of the time I spend on here is either very early morning or late at night….in between I am working for futsal. Now what is it you do all day Paul ?

    F.SALA on April 16th, 2009 7:28 pm

    I think I just proved my point. Talk, talk, talk.

    Paul on April 16th, 2009 9:58 pm

    No Paul, you just proved the point that I lied about you having intelligence ?
    ps You forgot to tell everyone what it is you do all day for futsal ?

    F.SALA on April 17th, 2009 4:18 am

    You also forgot to tell everyone what it is you do all day for futsal F. Sala besides talking about it.

    Paul on April 17th, 2009 8:35 am

    F Sala has heaps of time on his hands because at the moment he can’t teach any referee courses & level 1 coaching courses because they are few and far between as they are no longer Fifa accredited.
    You could always sweep the floors at head office but this wouldn’t be classed as working for futal.

    Justin on April 17th, 2009 11:03 am

    Not sure about working for “futal” Justin by I do sweep floors !

    F.SALA on April 17th, 2009 11:49 am

    School holidays huh Paul ?

    F.SALA on April 17th, 2009 11:50 am

    F-Sala,
    “by” I do sweep floors !

    I see you don’t have spell check either!!
    hehe.

    Justin on April 17th, 2009 12:29 pm

    omg, they’re all on school holidays !

    F.SALA on April 17th, 2009 12:33 pm

    Hey Justin whilst you have the time on your side, can you please explain to me and other readers why anything I do should be accredited by Fifa ?

    F.SALA on April 17th, 2009 12:35 pm

    Where did it say in my post that you SHOULD do anything that is Fifa accredited?
    Read the post again SLOWLY……..

    Justin on April 17th, 2009 6:26 pm

    F. Sala aka Bob Raso. Not only did you lie about Paul’s intelligence but also about your achievements in futsal and you can’t even tell the truth about spending time talking about futsal …..”that 99% of the time I spend on here is either very early morning or late at night….in between I am working for futsal”. So, lets see, straight after saying this, you get on at 11.49am, 11.50am, 12.33pm and 12.35pm. Hardly very early morning or late at night is it? lol. I see you have also not phoned dMac. Afraid of being found out?

    Henk on April 17th, 2009 11:56 pm

    Last time Henky took breath , he/she was going to tell us about places visited outside of Melbourne >>>>>>>>>>>> LOOK HENKY ITS MIDNIGHT and Ive just started work DDDUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! To you its when the big hand and the little hand both point up Mickey Mouses’ nose !
    Afraid of being found out ? No , all the people that matter know who F.Sala is (Wonder why you aren’t on that list !)

    F.SALA on April 18th, 2009 12:07 am

    What’s your point then Justin…….dont know what Fifa is but just wanted to appear knowledgeable ?

    F.SALA on April 18th, 2009 12:11 am

    FSala,
    Yeah that’s it….I don’t know what Fifa is and I just wanted to appear knowledegable……but then again it’s not hard to sound knowledgeable when conferring with you now is it?
    Most of your replies start with ” what’s your point” so I would say you are easily confused when it comes to the Futsal topic.
    Seriously mate you are the best advertisement for FFA ……keep up the good work!
    I know who you are as you gave away one to many clues.

    Dmac,
    Don’t hold your breath about getting a phone call, once you know who it is you won’t want his help anyway. At least posting under an alias he can pretend to be somebody in the sport of futsal.

    Justin on April 18th, 2009 9:22 am

    Hmmm lets see, 4 times during working hours means that F.Sala would normally be talking 396 times during very early morning or late at night. With 2 posts since,……hey you only have 394 times to go to achieve your 99%. lol.

    Henk on April 18th, 2009 9:40 pm

    Henk and Justin it looks like you have scared F.SALA off as I havent had a phone call from him yet and he has even stopped commenting on here.

    Maybe he works weekends and cant comment on here when he is at work…..

    dMac on April 19th, 2009 6:07 pm

    I think it’s more funny about how people have conversations with themselves on this site but use a different alias.

    By all means use another name if you want but don’t start debating with yourself just to stir the pot.

    I will support anyone who does anything to further Futsal in this country but some of the comments above are just dribble

    Just-In on April 19th, 2009 6:46 pm

    Justin and Henky – my Bobsy twins ! poor Justin embarrassed by the “Whats your point ?” a bit like a Jeopardy Daily Double question eh ? You tend to look a bit silly when you have no answer !….So there was no real point to what you said ?

    Ha ha Henk has worn his fingers out trying to calculate percentages ! Sorry Henky but my working hours are not restricted to 9 to 5 so your numbers are wrong ! (got to back to the archives my son !) You wanna try again ? (Or would you prefer to give us the details of all of your futsal experiences outside of Melbourne?) lol

    I am away for two days celebrating a div 1 lotto win and you all miss me so much ? – No-one to have a go at eh guys ?

    F.SALA on April 20th, 2009 6:27 am

    dMac, patience is a virtue ! Dont panic, I have your number in my phone. Schools are out on one of their rare holidays (!), so we cant do much at the moment……….. (I am in great demand too as you and my FFA friends would understand !)

    F.SALA on April 20th, 2009 6:34 am

    Archives are very clear. Your own words are “99% of the time I spend on here is either very early morning or late at night….” Obviously a lie.

    Henk on April 20th, 2009 2:44 pm

    dMac, anyone who uses the excuse that he is too busy to call you but has time to post on the web that he is too busy to call you is not worth talking to. Best you get into the futsal committee of Queensland Football and change the system from within. Same with VFF and Football West. There are vacancies on the committees. FIFA will only recognise FFA and FFA will only recognise the official state bodies, so Vikings will eventually affiliate or go broke.

    Henk on April 20th, 2009 2:51 pm

    dMac, being a teacher you would have read in my response that there was no rush for us to communicate as schools are currently on holiday. Mr Henk, who obviously isn’t a teacher reads it as I said I’m too busy ! A little like a goal in Henks world —-on the goal line but now wholly over it ! I think he’s sat on too many committees !
    Go on then Mr Henk help your old mate Justin (and the rest of us) by telling us why it is essential to align with FIFA when they do little or nothing for the sport !
    FIFA actually recognise VIKINGS and acknowledge that VIKINGS have done more for futsal development in the Pacific region than anyone else (not that we asked for their approval !) But your committee would have known that already eh ?

    F.SALA on April 20th, 2009 5:47 pm

    I admit I may have exaggerated the 99% Mr Henk. Please correct me and tell us all what the actual figure is, accept my sincere apologies and minute the fact for your next committee meeting !

    F.SALA on April 20th, 2009 6:19 pm

    Ok so back to the topic at hand before the smart remarks and bitching started, how many people actually filled out the survey and will anything be done about it?? I filled it out and thought it asked all the right questions but it’s whether or not the FFA will do anything about it that actually matters. Also i’ve heard that the FFA must establish a national futsal competition within 3 years as part of their commitment to a world cup bid, does anyone know if this is actually true and have any information on it?? :p

    Futsalgk83 on April 21st, 2009 12:54 pm

    Dont know………………………………………………(its too late to worry anyway !)
    Yes………………………………………………………… (its happening now slowly but surely)
    No its not true………………………………………….(nice story but pure fiction !)

    Anything else you want to know Futsalgk83 dont hesitate to ask !

    F.SALA on April 21st, 2009 4:50 pm

    Thanks F.sala i guess it was too much to hope that we might actually be treated with some respect by our outdoor brothers for once but alas we are to remain the abandoned child in the attic for a while longer it seems. :p

    futsalgk83 on April 23rd, 2009 12:20 pm

    The latest on the Futsal Review:

    The summary of key findings and recommendations were prepared in a report last Friday for the FFA Board papers and FFA Management Committee. The final report is tabled to the FFA Futsal Steering Committee this Friday (tomorrow).

    In terms of communication of the report findings, the FFA will work with the Member Federations to communicate the findings and the FFA adopted recommendations.

    Frank Rossi on April 23rd, 2009 2:09 pm

    So what were the recommendations then, does anyone know or are we all still in the dark?? :p

    futsalgk83 on April 27th, 2009 8:54 am

    Hi futsagk83,

    The Report was only handed to FFA last Friday.

    FFA will now arrange to communicate the Report findings to its member Federations. So as soon as Football NSW knows, we’ll all know.

    Frank Rossi on April 27th, 2009 9:01 am

    Frank, do we get to see the findings & recommendations or only whats been adopted?

    DanKennedy on April 27th, 2009 10:42 am

    Hi DanKennedy,

    Good question ! They are supposed to release the findings and the recommendations that they will adopt.

    Frank Rossi on April 27th, 2009 10:53 am

    Thanks frank rossi it will be nice to see what direction the ffa will take the game in the next few years and to give us all a better idea of how we’ll fit in to the grand plan for football in this country. :p

    futsalgk83 on April 27th, 2009 1:49 pm

    I thought the FFA didn’t want it to fit in with football after the wording of the small sided games plan avoided the term “futsal” ?

    F.SALA on April 27th, 2009 3:03 pm

    I believe it’s because small sided games are supposed to be non-competitive. From what I’ve heard, non-competitive competition does not always occur (some parents/officials can’t help themselves).

    SSG’s in lieu of futsal is IMHO a major loss for futsal and should be corrected. Some say the SSG’s are better for development of football players (mainly outdoor coach’s) but this is simply BS as SSG’s laws are less like football than futsal.

    If futsal was played instead of SSG’s you could use the game for younger player development (at my local centre I watch 7’s and 8’s playing with great enjoyment and producing good skills) and allow younger refs a venue to develop skills, particularly in foul recognition. This could all be done in a similar non-competition environment.

    Frank Rossi, that’s something the futsal departments should be pushing. Such a shame for futsal.
    [/rant]

    PJ on April 29th, 2009 9:45 am

    I too think Futsal would be better than SSG.

    However there is a practical issue. Futsal requires special fields/courts (which are limited). SSG games can be run on any oval (which there are many!)

    Futsalguy on April 29th, 2009 10:50 am

    It is called Futsal not indoor soccer; that should give you a clue that it does not necessarily have to be played indoors; you can use inflatable goals if any goals at all, and cones to mark out the playing area!

    Where there is a will there is a way…

    fence sitter on April 29th, 2009 2:54 pm

    SSG’s are played on modified outdoor fields or marked up parks, not usually full size fields.

    Futsal can as FS said be played anywhere (as can SSG’s). I know futsal has been played on outdoor courts in Manly Vale.

    To me the decision to develop SSG’s is a straight slap in the face to futsal by those who prefer outdoor (and quite honestly know nothing about futsal).

    PJ on April 29th, 2009 3:34 pm

    Every game of Futsal I have ever seen has been played on an artificial surface (as recommended in the rule book) with a special purpose small low bounce ball.

    If its played on the average soggy bumpy grass oval with a low bounce ball its going to be a different game.

    Its a bit like saying putt putt is like golf.

    Futsaldad on April 29th, 2009 8:56 pm

    Fence Sitter Futsal is derived from the Portuguese futebol de salão and the Spanish fútbol sala/de salón, which can be translated as ‘indoor football’.

    Paul on April 29th, 2009 9:47 pm

    If you ever go to South America you will see thousands of “indoor” courts outside… trust me it can be played outdoors and in a lot of places it is!

    fence sitter on April 29th, 2009 10:06 pm

    I agree. I have been there as well. My point was that the word Futsal meant indoor football.

    Paul on April 29th, 2009 10:55 pm

    Futebol de Salão/fútbol de salón is a Portuguese word which is translated into english meaning “Hall Football”
    Futsal is simply an acronym from Futebol de Salão (FUTebol de SALao = Futsal)
    Traditionally “Futsal” has been played indoors however previously before its official founding Futsal was played on the streets….No Coaches, No Refs, No parents, just the ball and your mates and if playing cricket you’d get the Wheelie Bin out!

    For a website dedicated to Futsal there are a lot of rubbish conversations going on here.
    There is bigger stuff going on for the Future of Futsal in Australia so I suggest we try and keep on the topic.

    As a young Futsal lover I am worried about the future of Futsal in Australia.
    I hope to come home one day and have a future in Futsal Australia and I am sure that I am not the only young person out there who has these dreams.

    With the results of the survey I wish to see the FFA make decisions that will build a bridge between Football and Futsal and distinguish the both of its components. (SSG vs. 5-aside Futsal)
    There is a lack of knowledge and education to outdoor supporters…they in some was have their own right to reject Futsal atm but if the FFA make the right choices we could see, I´m hoping again, some good changes – CHANGES ?

    PJ – really agree with your last comment…excellent choice of wording.

    Futsal serves a number of purposes….but the one thing I want to emphasise on is how it prepares young players to be “Ball Craftsmen” (my own choice of words) when then (If they choose) move on to play Football.
    It’s a development tool really and a good one at that!

    I believe us Fusal coaches involved with ages until 14+ should have a very qualified knowledge/Understanding of Football because in a sense we are preparing them for the game.
    Football Coaches should be thankful that we have the ability to develop high skilled young players through the game of Futsal.
    Without this link I believe we are ruining the chance to birth champions of the future as their path to professionalism is broken because of bad Futsal vs. Football relationships.

    To see how Futsal is organised and ran over here in Europe really inspires me…not to copy them but rather combined their expertise with the Australian way of sport…One day I hope to see this or even be apart of it!

    What do you think of this comment; I am still learning so fire away!

    Iona Voyce on April 30th, 2009 5:19 am

    Great comments Iona.

    However, as long as we keep pushing Futsal as a development tool, that is the way people outside the sport will continue to see it!

    The challenge for the Futsal administrators is to create a career path for Futsal devotees so they can make a meaningful choice at some stage. Let’s face it, the number of people who “make it” in Football is miniscule in percentages terms.

    fence sitter on April 30th, 2009 8:08 am

    For those too young to remember , in the early 1990s we built an outdoor court in the ACT for futsal (and tennis) We haven’t enough indoor facilities to accomodate the potential this sport has, so outdoors is the natural progression (we even played on a tarmac covered court in Sth America !
    I still say that administration of Futsal has to be separate from outdoor, and I know I am not alone as many top outdoor people agree (sorry Henky I’m NOT including FFV people in that observation).
    Sorry I haven’t phoned you yet dMac, hope you didnt take Henks advice and join his committee ! lol

    F.SALA on April 30th, 2009 9:01 am

    The outdoor court in Canberra is now a carpark because it was too impractical to use for futsal. After every off target shot there was a 30 second delay while we waited for the ball to be retrieved. I think for the Alitalia tournament in 1997 they had seating and other barriers that stopped the ball going all over the place. You would have to erect fences around every outdoor court., particularly large 8 to 10 metre high fences behind the goals.

    dingo on April 30th, 2009 2:20 pm

    I remember when that came up. It was built right next to Commonwealth Ave.. which is the busiest road in Canberra (and maybe Northborne Ave). It’s cost was $4million?

    Nice waste of tax payers money. Check it out.

    http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Canberra&sll=-25.335448,135.745076&sspn=54.526543,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=-35.287368,149.127409&spn=0.0031,0.004828&t=h&z=18

    DanKennedy on April 30th, 2009 2:37 pm

    I mentioned Futsal serves one of many purposes…I just wanted to emphasise on one area of my concerns.

    I really agree with you fencesitter that we should push Futsal in more ways than just one.

    If we wanted to play and develop a world of Futsal played outside…yeah why not let’s think outside the box…South America and Europe do this with a special mention to Spain. Just because they do it doesn’t mean we have to do it but observations are never a bad thing when its working for others ;) We could extract its advantages and use it in a way that suits us.
    —> Oh by the way when I say outside…I mean on surfaces other than GRASS!

    * I’ve always thought sport should fit the culture and lifestyle of the people *

    If there was ever a decision to make Futsal in/outdoor there of course should be strict rules/boarders/limits ect. (Lots of work in that…hopes it never deviates from the actual game of Futsal itself!)

    I dunno the sound of putting Futsal outside serves more of a “Fun” component to the game…something that social players would like to do or children on some summer clinics…or maybe a second option if facilities are limited in summer.

    Why do we play Futsal? Do we hope to be world contenders? Would be a shame if more Aussie players have to leave the country because there is a system in place that does not pave the way.

    Just a thought system…again fire away!

    Iona Voyce on May 1st, 2009 2:37 am

    P.S These outdoor courts that I mentioned were encaged…like what dingo mentioned..plus in the cage was seating for spectators.
    Do we have these in Australia…well if tennis is not so popular these days..are you thinking what I am thinking hehe!!

    Iona Voyce on May 1st, 2009 2:45 am

    Not wanting to start the obvious arguments again, but yes because of the shortage of indoor venues Vikings already have four purposely converted bowling greens in Brisbane/ Ipswich area.

    All are two court venues with artificial surface, full high fenced perimeter.
    Enoggera, Wavell Heights, Moorooka, and Booval (Ipswich).

    Most can be utilised seven days a week, day or night time
    And I believe more are planned in 2009

    Just-In on May 1st, 2009 9:56 am

    I hope the Vikings ones are better than the ones at Manly Vale. That surface is breaking up and you get little balls of ‘rubber’ in your shoes. As the ball runs along the surface, you get a little rooster tail of rubber mist behind it. IMHO, any indoor center would be better.

    PJ on May 1st, 2009 3:32 pm

    PJ the balls of rubber are not the surface breaking up they are there on purpose, probably to much rubber used if you are seeing rooster tails after the ball – under that rubber is also sand to hold the surface down and stop movement.

    In a perfect world we would all have indoor halls but sadly not always possible.

    I still remember my kids playing on concrete indoors,but I don’t imagine that would still go on now though.

    Just-In on May 1st, 2009 5:25 pm

    “The balls of rubber … are there on purpose”. You learn something new everyday. :) I have officiated there and after 4 games your shoes have got a filling of rubber that make it very uncomfortable to move around.

    That aside, futsal can be played anywhere including outdoor on grass fields. My point is that IMO it was a mistake to introduce SSG’s that are modified football (no offside, can retake throw is, no score, etc). It would have been FAR better to use futsal for football development.

    This could have been non-competitive type games but you still use the basic laws of the game. Futsal would have allowed players to develop basic ball skills and team work and give you a program to allow younger referees to develop foul identification and man management skills (even U 6’s and 7’s require some control).

    The ref can’t just stand there in the middle and blow the whistle. They have to move and talk to the players to generally help them play.Our local futsal center uses these very young games to allow young refs to gain confidence before moving up to older players.

    Some may say that it would put futsal in the light of only being a training game, but I don’t think it would as some players prefer futsal while others prefer outdoor. This works fine in other countries.

    PJ on May 3rd, 2009 8:10 am

    Tasmania’s main competition is played at an International Hockey complex in Hobart on artificial turf over summer with over 150 odd teams due to no indoor facilities. The facilities are world class and it is a great advert for the game of Futsal. I still like playing indoors but as far as getting the kids involved it is marvellous. There is also I believe a competition in North West Tasmania at a similar venue so looking at your above mentions it seems that Vikings are thinking outside the square like always.

    naturally on May 4th, 2009 5:07 pm

    So, still trying to figure out what FFA intend to do with futsal, I visit the FFA website, where I discover that entering the word “futsal” as a search term in their site search tool, results in the site throwing an error page:

    “An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request.” it says, and continues “Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below.”

    And sure enough below that statement there appears an ‘exception stack trace’ which as far as I can tell is complete gibberish, doing nothing to inform we interested parties about just what FFA has in mind for the future of futsal.

    Or maybe it does…

    Stegness on June 8th, 2009 1:33 pm

    ANY search returns the same result. Try “Socceroos” for instance. I’m sure they care about the Socceroos.

    But I agree that it would be nice to see the review results.

    Divine on June 9th, 2009 11:29 am

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