Vikings letter to NSW Futsal centres
Vikings invite NSW Futsal centres to a meeting about their future plans for Futsal in NSW.
The following letter was sent to various Futsal centres in NSW earlier today byVikings NSW. Futsal4all has been sent a copy :
Date: 30th June 2009
RE: Futsal Clubs of NSW Meeting
To Whom It May Concern,
We at Vikings Futsal NSW would like to invite you and members of your club/centre to a meeting to discuss the future and direction of the sport of futsal within NSW. After numerous meetings with Football NSW we are still at a stumbling block regarding capitation fees and have not joined together. Over the same period we have conducted meetings with the FFA and look forward to seeing what has been achieved out of this.
Since we first started in NSW a number of stories and rumours have circulated about Vikings Futsal. The staff at Vikings Futsal would like to provide you, the Futsal fraternity of NSW, with some facts so that you are well advised regarding the future of the great sport of Futsal within NSW under the banner of Vikings Futsal.
Hopefully this will encourage you to take part in bringing the sport forward with us and dispel any mistruths that may be circulating. We are here for the long haul and will continue to strive to develop this sport without losing sight of our original goal of bringing Futsal to as many people as possible within NSW. We want and hope to gain your support in helping us to achieve our goals and hope you take the time to read this letter.
Vikings Futsal has being in NSW for under 12 months and during this time we have established 2 Vikings centres, one in Wollongong, located in Albion Park at the Shellharbour City Stadium, with 95 teams the other Vikings centre located at the Michael Wenden Aquatic Centre located at Miller, with 21 teams. We have also gained one affiliated club, Western Force Futsal Club Inc. with 90 teams.
Vikings Futsal NSW and PCYC NSW have cemented their partnership which will show that by the start of the 2009 Futsal Summer Competitions, Vikings NSW Futsal will be the largest Futsal Organisation in the state, if not Australia. We will also have ready, a first class Premier League and Super League, run by the clubs for the clubs, with all sponsorship monies evenly distributed to the appropriate Leagues.
To service all the above centres and future clubs Vikings NSW Futsal currently has 4 full time staff members. State CEO Bob Raso, Tournament and Tours Co-coordinator Amanda Bowering, Highly credentialled football brain Dez Marton has just been employed as PCYC Liaison and Director of High Performance. Lastly Phil Belo will also assist with the developing of PCYC and the sport as a whole, with his role as PCYC Liaison and Officiating, he will look at the development of referees within the sport . We are currently also looking to employ 4 part time development officers for country areas. NSW Vikings are building a formidable team ready for the challenges ahead.
Vikings NSW Futsal can confirm the following:
- Vikings NSW will co-ordinate an Elite State Competition, known as the Dalponte Cup for the coming season.
- Vikings NSW will have in place an Elite State Competition Constitution run by the clubs for the clubs.
- Vikings NSW has in place By Laws for an Elite State Competition (Dalponte Cup).
- Winners and runners up from Dalponte Cup will participate in the Vikings National League Challenge Cup.
- Clubs participating in Vikings National League Challenge Cup will be invited to play in the inaugural Vikings National League.
- Winner of Vikings National League will play in Clubs World Cup Challenge.
- Promotion and relegation will take effect at the completion of 3rd season.
- In addition Vikings NSW will have teams take part in the current Vikings Pacific League.
- Vikings Futsal NSW and QLD have reintroduced State Of Origin for Women
and are looking to implement more age groups in near future.
NSW Vikings would like to invite you to a meeting on ;
When; Wednesday 8th July 2009
Where; Rockdale PCYC
9 Ador Ave Rockdale
Time; 7pm
We feel that together with you, and your input we can grow the sport we all love and allow it to achieve status we all believe it can. Futsal is an amazing sport in it’s own right, and we are committed to ensuring it is developed throughout the state of NSW in conjunction with the rest of Australia and New Zealand.
If you have any queries or questions please feel free to contact me , I look forward to seeing you and working with you to further the sport of futsal.
Kind Regards
Amanda Bowering
Tournaments and Tours Coordinator
Vikings Futsal
NSW
Phone; 9825 0997
Email; amandab@vikingsfutsal.com
Editors Note : the only change made above has been the removal of Amanda’s Mobile number. If anyone requires more information we recommend that they contact Vikings directly.
Click here for the original letter (PDF)
Related posts:- Vikings message to all Clubs and Players in NSW
- Football NSW Letter to Clubs & Centres about Vikings
- Vikings Futsal, Border Invasion
- NSW Vikings Schools Development Program
- Vikings NSW Update
Loading ...
The line is drawn, so it begins.
I went to Vikings NSW website and looked at the competitions and there are only 6 teams in the men’s competition and no mention of any other comps. Interesting how there can be 21 teams playing out of the venue? Are there other comps or the normal Vikings advertising?
If all plans that are mentioned in the letter get done it could be good for the sport but if Clubs and players are only finding out half the information or false info then there is an issue.
Sorry should have mentioned
only 6 teams in the men’s competition for Michael Wenden Aquatic Centre
Can sympathise with why clubs and venues would move across. As a player i honestly believe that vikings push to bring clubs across would only be seperating players, teams and not unifying us. Taking NSW futsal back to the stone age of throw in’s and what not’s :)
As a player who is looking to further develop and grow in futsal..i can say i won’t be one to move across..re: vikings nationals, overall quality of comps.
I hope that FNSW Futsal and the clubs can work out differences and assist each other in fine touching our great sport.
Seems like only about 30 teams in Illawarra on the web site too. Take the number and multiply it by three?
NOW I KNOW WHY TEAMS WANNA MOVE ACROSS TO VIKINGS THERE IS NO BULL.AT FUTSAL NSW ITS ALL ABOUT MATES AND WHO U KNOW NOT HOW U PLAY THE GAME SO ITS NEVER GOING TO GO ANY WERE SORRY TO SAY FUTSAL IN THIS COUNTRY IS AT THE LEVEL OF A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY GO VIKINGS FUTSAL
You now have a bunch of people who have never run a sport at a state level running Viking Futsal in NSW who think it is so easy to bang a few clubs together and a few teams together and make a whole new organisation over night, that will be bigger and better than the current 1. Who are they trying to kid.
Wow…. after reading the posts I think NSW Football (who pose as caring about futsal) are getting the sweats. This will do one of 2 things… make NSW Football get off there ass or fade away. Keep posting Tim
Cant imagine people rushing off to count teams and players. You guys (mostly) seem to miss the fact that VIKINGS is the vehicle providing the opportunities for you guys to play a sport administered by futsal people. If you chose to play under the control of people who have had years to assist you but by your own admissions on here, have failed miserably that is your choice. For you perceptive people yes Vikings will only be as good and as large as YOU the participants make it, Some of us will continue to hope and dream that our current provider will get better ! I salute my colleagues in NSW for having the futsal balls to stare down the establishment and offer an alternative, I believe you the players will benefit long term………
benefit us in the long term… like an oppurtunity to represent our *cough* country!!?? *cough*
F.SALA: don’t we have highly competitive environment? what exactly is so wrong with what we have?
It seems every time Vikings get caught out with exaggerating figures, they pretend it’s for the good of the game. Isn’t this the same Amanda who announced the start of a Women’s comp at Cabramatta PCYC in March? No interest Amanda?
Are these Elite competitions going to be an alternative to the Current Premier and Super League? or are VikingsNSW planning on taking over the running of these comps?
The current Premier/Super Leagues are taking applications for the coming season. The Vikings are welcome to apply and test themselves against the current clubs.
The current FNSW SL/PL shows great skill by both players and officials. It has taken time to get where it is and yes, there is still a way to go. The players skill is continually improving through stronger competition while the officials (referees) are more accurate and consistent due to ongoing training and inspection.
Part of what Vikings indicate above that they are doing to help the sport grow is provide quality competition (which is why Nations ARE important as this is where the elite [players and officals] are supposed to show their wears and continue development).
If Vikings run a separate SL/PL, IMO it will end up like their Nationals (which were well off the pace, not that they can’t get there, they’re just a long way off now). It will simply be more divisive.
Vikings should add to the current mix of SL/PL as stated by FR. This will provide a higher level of competition and will allow ALL to benchmark their skill set and assist in the growth of futsal generally.
@ Paul
Women are a struggle anywhere for any NSW futsal provider. Competitions are exceptionally limited. I don’t see it as a big thing is the Cabra comp didn’t get up. At least they are trying.
@ Frank
What makes you think they didn’t “test themselves” last year and got found wanting or want something different – thus are giving Vikings a try. Will be interested to see what the standard is like.
@ F Sala
You’re the one that keeps telling people to look at the track record of the current provider. But when people do it for your organisation it’s some sort of character flaw. Can you say “hypocrite”?
As for it only getting as big as you make it, wouldn’t the same be true of the FFA (or any other organisation for that matter). The people in both the NSW Vikings and FNSW offices are all futsal people with long futsal histories. I do notice that Vikings are advertising Chelsea logo football coaching seminars. Futsal people? Yeah right … can you say “hypocrite” (again)?
NSW is at the futsal forefront in Australia – without Vikings’ precious development opportunities and grass roots propaganda – even against Vikings opponents, so don’t put FNSW in the same boat as anyone else – except maybe the ACT.
@ Simon
Alternative, not replacement.
Hi Divine,
Never said they didn’t just extending an invitation.
The figures Vikings claim are summer competitions. At Shellharbour City Stadium during summer on Tuesday nights they have 38 men’s teams and about 60 junior teams. In winter they run 36 men’s teams.
When I visited the Miller site I saw draws and results for 7/8’s comp (7 Teams)
10/11’s comp (8 teams) Mens comp (6 Teams. This winter they are running a men’s comp with 8 teams.
If what they say is true about new staff coming on board and with summer competition starting in majority of PCYC centers, watch the numbers grow.
Hey Frank Rossi don’t despair, I’m sure Vikings will accept Football NSW as an affiliated club.
Bye the way, Vikings are here to stay. SO GET OVER IT.
Is good to see some spirit and fight from the NSW people.
The SL/PL seems to me to be great comps (from reading on this site and talking with the likes of Scott G) but a lot seem based around football clubs. Where is the development of the grass roots Futsal going to come from to get the players playing in the SL/PL surely they are not just going to rely on footballers? Hell Genzo had to put a letter out to the clubs to “allow” them to play in the PL/SL finals.. too funny… “allow”
IMO the propaganda is not just Vikings. Read this site closely, Futsal Oz, FFAA, Brazil Soccer Schools, FFV, FNSW and the list goes on.
Devine I think you will find that Mauricio is a guest speaker at the Football Coaching Seminar… the same Mauricio who’s company has signed a deal with Vikings Futsal… can you say… tosser!! lol just kidding no need for that.
Again, IMO Futsal has a great chance to grow in Australia but to many just see the elite and forget about the player who just wants rock up to a centre and play for fun or go and play in a mini tournament with their mates. And get this… those players don’t care if it’s FIFA approved or FFA approved
When Futsal is recognised as a sport in Australia thats when it will really take hold until then Football will keep scare mongering with idol threats while pandering to the futsal faithful…. The day Football in Australia washes there hands of Futsal will be a joyous day for the SPORT
Ole have you got any idea what you are saying.
The grass roots of this sport in NSW is huge. If you knew how many 6 years olds and older are registered and playing not just in Sydney but all over the state I think you would be surprised. In the summer Indoor Soccer in all its forms is massive. Probably the largest played sport in NSW and the majority by far are non elite players.
That is why so many people want a slice of the money that is made out of this sport every year.
Rossi invitation to Vikings
big ponytail, little brain.
L.O.L.
@ Ole
“I think you will find that Mauricio is a guest speaker at the Football Coaching Seminar… the same Mauricio who’s company has signed a deal with Vikings Futsal… can you say… tosser!! lol just kidding no need for that.”
It’s a football event. Vikings are there sure – but it’s a football event. The Vikings guys keep going on about how soccer/football people should stay out of futsal … but you are going to them. It’s hypocritical. Maybe I am a tosser, but I wouldn’t give a toss if the Vikings anti-football rhetoric wasn’t there. It makes sense for the two codes to coexist.
As for the NSW PL/SL – I don’t know where the football idea comes from. In the PFL, no clubs present were formed by football clubs. A few have created links with football for a “wholistic” approach and to add player talent to both sides.
The football clubs are seeing the opportunity and creating “futsal” streams for their clubs. It gives them another brand avenue and another path for their club to play elite competition. Again, wholistic.
Grassroots futsal in summer as interested said, is big. FNSW centres near me, run kiddies of all ages and sexes, women, men, mixed, you name it. They also run training sessions, for kiddies, middlies and adults. It’s a little like football really … or Vikings.
As for propaganda, I don’t see much other than basic advertising from most of the organisations you named. To me, Vikings don’t really do any more at “Grass roots” level than anyone else.
The thing Vikings does REALLY well is schools. ANY other entity running futsal could do well to look at them. It’s a great model.
Cheers Interested… not being from NSW I didn’t have a good idea of size of grass roots futsal other than what others have told me or from what can be gauged from sites like this.
You make a good point though, there are many who want a slice of the money, FNSW is one if I believe some of those close to them.
When Futsal people no longer believe they NEED to be run by Football (who have enough on their plate with football) the sport will move foward.
@ Ole
“You make a good point though, there are many who want a slice of the money, FNSW is one if I believe some of those close to them.”
Vikings and FNSW – potay-to, potar-to. They both make money in the same way.
“When Futsal people no longer believe they NEED to be run by Football (who have enough on their plate with football) the sport will move foward.”
Personally, I’d like to see futsal people/departments within the football framework. Look how consisitent football is across the country. Wouldn’t it be remarkable if futsal was governed the same way, had the same structure and was as consistent from place to place?
But seriously, do you think football runs futsal now? It’s futsal people that run it – even for those organisations where it sits within the football structure.
If Vikings really want to “provide you, the Futsal fraternity of NSW, with some facts so that you are well advised”, publishing a brief letter and asking people to head down to a meeting at Rockdale is really not the best approach.
When putting forward a proposal isn’t it normal practice to:
(1) Detail what problems exist with the current system
(2) Define what the proposed system will provide
(3) Explain how the proposed system will address the current problems
(4) Detail any additional benefits of the proposed system
Ideally the proposal should be a written document that is made available to as many people as possible. I can’t see this proposal, or even a mention of it, on the Vikings home page. If such a document exists can someone point me in the right direction.
When a Vikings proposal is published, I would hope FNSW Futsal responds in kind.
Only when such information is made available can people make an informed decision.
Frank Rossi – Why on earth would Vikings even dream of “applying” to join your soopa doopa leagues to test themsleves. Ive written some rubbish on here to entertain but mate c’mon are you really that stupid ?
Hey Mike which desert have you had your head buried in for the past decade or so ?
Mike…. your post has probably lost most of the posters on here… lol they are not looking for a proposal, just which super, premier, out of this world elite league is happening in NSW
I believe the FFA commissioned a review last year, it’s results were to be known before the end of the year, then feb…. it’s now July and still nothing… I’d be more concerned about that than Vikings holding a meeting with Futsal interested people
Does anyone know when the review results will be made public? or will it be another year of hollow promises from Football
Sorry F. Sala but I thought I was helping you keep your customers happy. PCYC is currently in the Premier League and keen to continue so I thought I would help you keep them happy. No need to be insulting.
@ Frank Rossi, when do we get to find out the results of the review?
Good question. As far as I know the report is still with FFA pending board approval for release to the State bodies.
Vikings may know more as they have been meeting FFA regularly (as per their letter).
Don’t hold your breath waiting for report to be public-
i think the constant delays on releasing to public are enough of indication of what FFA and their State Football bodies think of Futsal.
It is interesting that every State CEO has seen the report but it’s still not released. (No need to dispute this because I was told that by one of the CEO’s)
My thoughts are
To hot to handle!
Not enough interest in results?
or my favourite
“didn’t like what was written and are now busy editing original result for release”.
Did your source say what the recommendations were?
Ladies & Gentlemen
Last season my son played Futsal in the Football NSW PL/SL competition and also had a team with his mates at the local gym, which is run by PCYC.
This year he intends to do exactly the same and does not give a toss about FNSW or Vikings. This view would be shared by the vast majority of kids who just love playing futsal.
I am at a loss to see how some of the abusive and vitriolic comments on this forum benefit anybody or anything other than the egos of those involved!
Please remember the kids and do not disturb their love of futsal. As a parent I do not care if he plays FNSW, Vikings or both just as long as he enjoys it and all this politciking does not impact at the kids level.
Keen Observer, you just happen to be one of the silent majority!
The sooner this situation is resolved, egos notwithstanding, the better…
Keen Observer
Vikings are here to provide Futsal for the masses…if the world doesn’t wake up tomorrow…Vikings qill still be there doing their job !
Frank Rossi
Helping our customers ???? Isnt your failure to satisfy them the reason they joined Vikings ?
Thanks for the offer, but……no thank you !
My apologies too if you considered my question insulting !
Have there been any recent defections to the Vikings in NSW?
Any clubs not backing up in Premier/Super League and moving to Vikings comps?
Hi F. Sala apology accepted.
Is Amanda going to keep playing in our Winter League now? I mean she can’t be happy considering the letter.
I would have thought the sensible thing to do was to ask Amanda herself Frank, but I dont have to tell you that do I ?
(p.s. Do you really have a pony tail, I mean REALLY ???) lol
To all players who have attended Sydney Benfica’s trials so far. I wish I was able to place each and everyone of you with our club. The passion and determination you display is a credit to you all and you only. If it wasn’t for these young kids, girls and boys, women and men our sport would be nothing.
To all of you who have posted negativity recently, whether you are part of FNSW and or Vikings, please pull your head in !!!!
What do I say to kids who are 12, 13 and 14 years old who read the bullshit that is written and then ask me why?
My answer to them is to keep playing for fun. Futsal is pure and unfortunately our game is being poisoned by self centred egos who have their own agenda.
I am a member of that so called FNSW Futsal Standing Committee and yes I try to make a difference.
Ladie & Gents, united we can conquer all, divided we are just, up shit creek without a paddle.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Exercise a little respect and courtesy towards the innocent ones.
FNSW & Vikings, you do not own the sport of futsal.
Our children are FUTSAL !
Yawn ! O K Lorenzo,I get your point, dont agree with your language in front of 12, 13, 14 y/olds ( but I am old fashioned). If you are part of the FNSWF standing committee then you should know at least 50% of what is going on !
Pity Sydney Benfica doesnt have court time to give all those kids a game each week, I agree, but a lot of clubs have that problem……..
F.SALA you are way off the mark and your comment that Sydney Benfica FC does not have a home court, proves that most of your commentary is horse shit……..Apologies to all regarding my language, but enough is enough.
I am in direct contact with Chris Gardner and once it is confirmed via Chris, that Marrickville PCYC is not available our new home venue will become Menai Indoor Sports Centre and we will play our home games on Sunday. Those attending our trials have been advised.
FSALA please be sure to post factual information in your future posts.
Have a great weekend !
Loz, why should other clubs be forced to play on Sundays against you?
I know of clubs who would like to play on Fridays, would that be fair to other clubs?
Fence Sitter
In the Premier League/Super League application as per the last four years, it is asked if your centre is available on Saturdays and or Sundays.
Given Mascot Vipers and Sutherland play on a home and away basis every alternate saturday, if there are two clubs playing out of the centre on the same day, courts would not be available untill 3pm. Doing it this way, we do not inconvenience Mascot and Sutherland as they were there first.
There have been many a double header, where games are played on Sundays in the past and there has never been an issue.
During outdoor trials in October, we will be scheduled to play away from home, allowing players to attend outdoor trials on Sundays.
Fencesitter, if I had my way, we would stay at Marrickville as this is our home, but unfortunately these are the cards that we have been dealt.
I guess the only way to keep Marrickville, is to align ourselves with Vikings.
Is that likely to happen?
I think not.
Thanks for the explanation.
“During outdoor trials in October, we will be scheduled to play away from home, allowing players to attend outdoor trials on Sundays.”…. Why don’t you create Futsal players instead of trying to convert Footballers
Does my head in…. and here I thought the SL/PL was a Futsal comp…. sadly it’s nothing more than something to do until Football starts again…
Lorenzo, I am assuming that with a non Anglo Saxon name , English would be your second or third choice language ?
If you read my blog again (and get someone to translate for you) you will find I was sympathising with you over the fact that you couldn’t give all those children who you obviously care about, a game each week. Ive never heard of Sydney Benfica before (is it a new Sydney suburb ?) so why on earth would I say you had no home court ???
Gordon Ramsey could make a family sized omelette with the egg on your face !
You seem so angry about something ? would you like to tell little ol’ F.Sala all about it ?
F.Sala
I am angry because of all this political crap, we have lost Marrickville PCYC as a home ground after being loyal for the past four years.
I just hope vikings can make in excess of $50k for the centre utilising one night and saturday game day as we did over the last four years.
FSALA I hope you guys do it, because in this world it is the $$$$ that count, whilst loyalty counts for nothing.
We can discuss matters on wednesday night anglo saxon style :-)
Ole
We are trying to develop futsal players. But the simple fact of life, is that players play both.
I think we all know the obstacles that futsal faces when it comes to outdoor.
Over time hopefully this will change.
Over the past few years I and my son have been fortunate enough to be involved with Lorenzo from the FNSW side of the fence and Dez Marton, now with Vikings.
Both are exceptional ambassadors for Futsal and both are great motivators for young kids wanting to get involved with Futsal and develop their skills.
What a pity that this political nonsense has now placed such a divide in our sport.
Young futsal lovers do see this forum and the combative and insulting tone of some contributors does no justice to their cause and turns the kids away!!!
Bad move F.SALA, not the target you should be aiming at as Lorenzo is one of the most respected figures down here in NSW. If people on here are not sure of what the Vikings is all about then you sure have put them off !!!
Simon
Well said – I was just trying to be a little more diplomatic.
F. SALA – as my previous praise for a Vikings promotor shows I am not a FNSW Vikings hater but like Simon I agree that your attitude on this forum is a turn-off to your cause.
so Lorenzo stuffs up and its my fault ???
Love to know where to buy those rose tinted glasses.
F.SALA is the main reason these days for staying away from Vikings.
If the rest of the Vikings organisation is as spiteful and selfish as F.SALA, thank god they don’t have a decent grip in NSW.
Fsala
I miss read your comment, late hours etc
No excuses.
By the way, have vikings affiliated with FFA or have they been dis-associated from the state and national bodies?
I have heard this from a third person, so I thought I would ask the person who knows best?
Could you please advise?
Email me if you like info@benfica.com.au
God my english is poor
Need sleep
Getting angry doesnt help, Lorenzo, in fact it has the opposite effect ( as you now know). I have lost centres before now and have faced the resulting challenges. I wasn’t going to mention it because your band of supporters will pick on me (and you know I just hate that!) but I know of 2 Vikings people who worked hard over nearly 10 years to get Menai Indoor centre built ! I;m sure neither would be disappointed to see you or any other futsal club playing there. I’m sorry I wont be at your meeting as I have a prior engagement in Qld (where I live)But I hope it helps you to understand why Vikings is the way forward.
The best way is to ask the FFA for their official position. (personally I would like them to affiliate to us !!!)Like you I tend NOT to believe stories from 3rd parties…
I accept your apology for misquoting me.
“Ole
We are trying to develop futsal players. But the simple fact of life, is that players play both.
I think we all know the obstacles that futsal faces when it comes to outdoor.
Over time hopefully this will change.”
So what your saying is it is easier to have a good footbller who really dosn’t care about Futsal (as they go to trials… in Oct) in your side than to find a good futsal player who plays football on the side, and turn them into great Futsal players.
Lorenzo, I know your trying to do the right thing. But surely there are players out there who play football but love Futsal more…. they are your Futsal Players of tomorrow…. not Footballers who really only care about Football….. much like the State Bodies or FFA (and why should they care any more… Football is their main business)
Ole, I think that you will find that the majority of Futsal players here enjoy both. They start to play the outdoor game first and Futsal becomes a summer social activity with their mates. Sure, some of them play reps as well or are recruited by the PL/SL teams.
I’m not sure that making them become solely a Ftsal player will work in general. I agree with Lorenzo, its a fcat of life that thy play both.
Vikings appear to be very strong in their work with schools etc and I would have expected this to be their major push rather than what I see above about Elite competitions. FNSW do elite competitions well but not so hot in schools development area.
Ole I have read your comments and most of them seem to be lacking in substance and true understanding of reality.
There are changes in the wind. The decisions made last weeks by FFA are just the beginning. Vikings V’s FIFA & FFA. Who do you think will win?
Hey interested are you now telling us that FIFA really cares about FUTSAL ???? hahahahahahahaha (sorry mate your little FFA are on their Pat Malone !) If you can get 3 – 1 on FFA Take it ! lol
F.SALA
When you first appeared on this scene you were actually gaining support. All that hard work is starting to dissappear. As Simon states, pick your battles and stick to the plan you have for Vikings. If the people on this site get their backs up over your coments against good futsal folk then Vikings will end up suffering for it. You’re not serving your masters very well at the moment.
For Older Laddie….If you use the right bait, you catch fish !
F.SALA
Efficient: being good at something (in your case baiting people and generally being a king size tool)
Effective: achieving your goals (in your case it should be attracting poeple to the Vikings bandwagon)
You achieve the first but fail miserably in the second…
Lets have a small wager on which of us has DIRECTLY attracted more people to Futsal over the past 20 years…… Somewhere around $10,000 should get me a nice little trip ! Over to you fence sitter ???
You have NO idea sunshine…
There are a lot of players who would love nothing more than to play futsal all year round, but the opportunity does not exist for them to do that yet. They see outdoor as their fill-in sport rather than the other way around.
If vikings could come in and guarantee the same PL/SL format straight off the bat that FNSW has, then I think there would be a huge changover.
“If vikings could come in and guarantee the same PL/SL format straight off the bat that FNSW has, then I think there would be a huge changover.”
From what I’ve seen Vikings may be gathering players but not developing the whole sport. In the FNSW PL/SL I know the referees undergo ongoing training (physically and LOTG) as well as have inspections (FIFA Refs, state coach and others) all year round and players have to go through extensive trials and ongoing training. During the PL/SL there are usually 2 – 3 referee inspectors out each weekend. At the FFA Nationals all referees participating undertook the FIFA fitness test and pre competition seminars to further the quality of officiating. There was at least one inspector/assessor assisting the officials at each centre for the entire competition.
Players having a kick around, while in itself is a good thing, will not result in furthering the sport. The better players want to challenge themselves with higher level competitions which require higher quality officiating. The only way to do this is by improving total competition (from grass roots, through to PL/SL and Nations) as well as improved officiating. The effort needs to be spent across all aspects of the game, not just the ‘grass roots’ or management.
Watching the NSW PL/SL and FFA Nationals I can say that the quality of players and officials coming through has continually improved over the last 3 years. IMO it is a great thing for the sport. There is still a way to go IMO, but dividing the sport into smaller us v them factions is not helping.
@Notme
While there are some players (me included) that would like to play elite futsal all year round, I’m pretty certain that we are in the VAST minority.
Look at the lack of top players in the NSW WSL for instance. It’s even worse in the junior age groups.
With every fifth 10-year-old sending off a home made DVD to Man U, unless you’re hard core futsal, you’re looking for the big buck in football.
I would love to test your theory though and see someone try to run a weekend ‘premier league’ during the winter. I know I’d be in it.
Check out this forum conversation on AusRef to see how Vikings ignore the development of their refs…
http://refsroom.ausref.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4036&sid=e2d86c1066b8a23edf5361708fcb3fb1
Dear oh dear oh dear. F Sala, youve bitten off a bit more than you can chew here old mate. Sounds like Lorenzo is a popular figure in Sydney. (Ithought you knew everyone down in Sydney town???) Probably not a good idea to piss of the people your organisation wants to colonise.
I notice none of the other office staff that normally back you up have not offered their support this time. Henky must be loving following this thread.
Interested, I didn’t know there was a Vikings v FIFA/FFA… from my understanding all groups want the same thing (at the end of the day) difference is Vikings is a Futsal purist group FIFA and FFA do no more than they need to show any real interest in the game.
In Australia the FFA offers a mens side (that hasn’t done much lately) and a National titles…. thats it. FIFA offers a world cup for men once every 4 year.
Groups like Vikings are trying to fly the flag of Futsal…. treat it as a sport and offer more within the game. I’m sure the women would like a pathway as well.
The things that worry me on this site and in Futsal is the involvement of Football into the running of the game. They want ownership but lack but not the responsibility that comes with it. I’m all for Futsal being an arm of the FFA but it should be a single body that is like a state football body. Run by Futsal people for Futsal people.
For some reason Football fears the growth of Futsal. I say this because of the negative talk that comes from football about the game (don’t play it will ruin your football career) and their apathy towards Futsal. I think their fear is a huge compliment to Futsal and shows how big the problems are in Football….. if you offered someone a chance to play football for man u or Futsal for Malvee … which do you think they would take.
Not everyone will play rep football or play in the EPL giving great opportunities for players to have a pathway in Futsal. Football are yet to work this out.
I’m optimistic about the Future of Futsal in Australia and believe Vikings have a role to play. I do wish the FFA would release the report and let everyone know the state of play, instead only the Football CEO’s have seen it…. Football!!!!
Question…. what if the report recommends Vikings play a greater role in Futsal in Australia… would you all walk away…. I think not many of you would just continue to bitch and moan.
I admit I’m not privy to all the information, but then, on this forum, who is.
Ole, the report does not say much. FFA paid good money for a report that stated the current obvious position with no real final conclusion. Waste of money.
Several years ago when Vikings were affiliated with the then national body (soccer Aust) Vikings were one of the crusaders fighting brake away groups trying to get everyone under the one banner, but then came FFA who said it will be under one banner and it will be the state soccer ass’s. Well that meant that organisations like Vikings, ISA and Futsal NSW would loose their independence and would loose total control over their cash flow.
Well that didn’t seem to suit Qld Vikings so they themselves became a brake away group.
The same venom and anger that was around then is back again. The old heads that fort to amalgamate the sport 5 & 10 years ago are still around.
Unless there is strong leadership things will once again be repeated and the new people to the sport will put forward their great ideas on how they will “change” the sport and how they along will change it for the better, while the current organisation leaders, and the people who have been in the sport for some time are saying “here we go again”.
Ole, here we go again. :-(
Hi everyone,
Is this meeting still on tonight as many are asking as they haven’t received invitations.
Any food??????
“Feed them and they will come!”…..
maybe call them direct?
Meeting on
See you there
With an open mind !
Would love to be a fly on the wall!
Would someone be able to provide forum readers with a summary of the meeting last night please?
That would be nice. Some of us are nowhere near Rockdale.
Ladies and Gents
I am sure that if you contact Bob Raso or Amanda they will provide you with details. A hand out was given to all parties present.
Approx 8 people attended. 2 x Sydney Benfica FC, 2 x West Sydney Berries, 2 x YMCA 1 x Botany Bay and 1 x Northern Beaches. There was one lady who joined a short time into the meeting.
As far as I am concerned FNSW need to pick up the ball and run with it. Given the path runs through FNSW, FFA, AFC and FIFA.
Everything that was discussed are items that we have been pushing for a few years now.
One item they mentioned was setting up a futsal school in the central coast where year 7-10 it will be incorporated in PE. Year 11 & 12 it forms part of the curriculam. I thought this was good, if they manage to pull it off.
We regards to the rest of the meeting, given the intent was to get people to jump ship, it did leave alot to be desired.
There were a few inconsistencies with the presentation which I didn’t question, given my position on the FNSW Standing Committee. I didn’t want to come accross as causing trouble in their own backyard.
I will say one thing though. I cannot understand what all the fuss is all about. I went there expecting to be blown away…….just didn’t happen.
I think FNSW & Vikings can co-exist in NSW as I am sure they can co-exist in QLD.
But,that is my personal opinion.
To be fair to the Vikings I would like to make up my own mind about their competitions so I have decided to climb off the fence and have a kick!
Can someone reliable from the Vikings please tell me where I can find a team in Sydney for me to join or better still put a team made up of my fat old mates in?
So will the Vikings have “Elite” competitions up and running in Sydney this summer?
Lorenzo, I think you hit the nail on the head when you stated “you went there expecting to be blown away…just didn’t happen”
I am sure the meeting was never designed to blow anyone away..Vikings are just doing the job they do every day of the week. They are not and have not reinvented the wheel !
Perhaps you may have been to too many committee meetings or are gullible enough to believe the propaganda going around ??? lol
Hey Simon…your’e still a classic !
Well FSALA, can you answer that one given your vast knowledge of Vikings operations.
Anyway, Lorenzo is right, the letter appeared to promise the world, overnight !!
a) Yes I can
b) Perhaps you got a special letter ?
FSALA
Given that I am gullible as you state, could you please advise how your coaches will be accredited through FIFA when you are not recognised through the state body, national body, the confederation body and finally FIFA.
In the meeting your counterparts stumbled over and over when being asked this question from one of your allies. Please explain?
Secondly one of your officials from your organisation will be applying for a FNSW elite competition. How can this be if Vikings will have elite competition up and running in no time?
I was diplomatic in my response previously, but I guess being gullible puts a whole new spin on things.
Bob stated in the meeting that it was extremely unprofessional of FNSW and FFA to release the correspondence that they did and that vikings would never do that.
Wasn’t it that Vikings, Amanda Bowering that initially sent the letter to all FNSW associated clubs and centres?
That was very professional wasn’t !
That was very professional wasn’t it?
Well done yet again FSALA, you appear to have a knack of playing the man and not the ball. One wonders whether you really represent the Vikings ethos.
Lorenzo – where did I state you were gullible ? You really do twist my words dont you ?
Nice comeback champ.
Obviously you have problems with your memory. Please below.
“Perhaps you may have been to too many committee meetings or are gullible enough to believe the propaganda going around ??? lol ”
By the way you still didn’t answer my questions/observations.
How many Fifa accredited coaches are there in Australia? I know Scott G is a Fifa inspector… but I’m not sure of how many others have FIFA accreditation.
I think it is unprofessional to release “parts” of a review 4 weeks before it is due to be released, meaning it hasn’t been finished or signed off on. Yes I’ve read that only the bits pertinent to the PL/SL and rego’s have been released… but that in itself seems unprofessional.
I am looking foward to it’s official release though
We have several hundred accredited Referees.
The review of the PL/SL and Registration process were the first items to be reviewed and released due to the timing requirements. The review of other areas of Futsal is ongoing and anticipated to be released by August.
As for Coaches, accreditation is initially at State level and then progresses on to AFC or National level and all are considered FIFA accredited.
Lorenzo, You missed it completely, It was a question not a statement (hence the question marks- but dont worry)!
However I have to remain bemused by your love of FIFA – somewhat like the drowning man clutching at straws !
Is this the same FIFA that 2 decades ago thanked me (and others) for helping spread the Futsal word in Oceania ? (as they were unable to do)- Not too sure what more they’ve done since ? The same Fifa that unless you’re a Pom or Brasilian you struggle to get equality (Why did the FFA have to go to Asia)? The same FIFA that 10 years ago were going to “Olympicise” futsal ? (and didn’t) A decade later and we’re still none the closer ? The same FIFA that tried to Register the Name FUTSAl for exclusivity and monopolise the game ? The same FIFA that doesn’t recognise womens futsal and provide a world cup pathway like the men ? The same FIFA that recognised Vikings at a (not so distant) International conference as doing more for the development of futsal recently than any other body in Oceania ?………..
Or was it another FIFA you were referring to ?
ohhhhhhh, sala you are starting to give your identity away.
Ssssshhh futsalfanatic they still think I’m Bob Raso ! lol
FSALA
You still haven’t answered my questions/observations.
You bagged out FIFA in you previous thread, yet your crew stated that all Vikings Coaches will be accredited through FIFA.
Waiting with anticipation…………………………………. still waiting
Lorenzo, If you said something (interesting) that needed clarification, I would ask you, not Henky, Not Frankie, YOU ! Its a habit of mine.
You always want me to explain what other people have said to you ?
Duh ! Try asking them !!!!
Was that a yes to my FIFA question ? hahahaha
Here we go again. Fsala making no attempt at all to answer any questions specifically directed to him. Misdirection, redirection, hiding behind stupid comments with no knowledge or appreciation of the sport. The guy knows nothing and its painfully obvious. Trolling would be the right term here.
I hope someone else from vikings realises just how bad he is making their organisation look. the ffa must be loving this…
We are loving it! 8 people attending the meeting with 2 already saying that they have no intention of joining. Vikings would not even be able to field a team, let alone pretend to be a national organisation. lol Best to go back to Queensland and try to survive the competition from Queensland Football. lol.
FSALA
This is my last post on this topic. Given you will not respond to these questions/observations, I guess it is safe to say that the vikings organisation is full of lies, fabrications and propoganda.
You are without doubt “THE SPIN DOCTOR”
I must admit you have been most entertaining.
Good luck with whatever you are setting out to achieve.
Love your work sweetheart.
Regan
Spell check please !
Dito Reagan.
SWEETHEART ???
You have a pony tail as well ? OMG
I have spent the morning reading this rubbish and have 2 comments.
1. The kids and adults that play this amatuer sport make or break it. As it stands today FNSW is the State governing body and from what I understand pretty much everything Football/Futsal goes through them up to the FFA all the way up to FIFA. If the Vikings are not happy then why not get yourselves on the board or managemnt of the sport and make changes through the correct channels. As an outsider I can only assume ur doing it to make money. Thats usually the case. Someones making a profit.
2. Sponsorship. As an executive of one of Australia larget retail groups I would question my organisation investing our hard earned marketing dollars with any association that wasnt part of the main game! As I see it FNSW are the main game. Having a pretty website with your brand and focusing on school comps etc is all great but unless your part of the big picture then Im sorry Vikings just like SUPERLEAGUE you wont be around for too long.
Australians are passionate about their sport and as an oustider it looks like some individuals are trying to make a quick buck by causing division in the ranks. SOrry Vikings I think you will fail.
KP
Spell check Frank please…its ditto !
…and just incase your wondering my son plays at Rockdale PCYC for fun!
Awesome Frank, I have a level 2 accreditation for Futsal, I had no idea i was now an official Fifa Futsal Coach.
Kris, spending your time reading this forum was obviously a waste of time for you (and most of us) Very few know what they are on about and speak only part hear say. (this could include me as well)
Sadly your view/vision of what Vikings is/offers/does is way off but you can only comment on what little info you know or have heard.
there are people hear that destablise the futsal issue from both sides. Henk sits in is Football Vic office offering very little, F.Sala is very knowledgeable within the game and winds people up…. it works.
Lorenzo and Frank are on the FNSW futsal standing committee, and full credit to them for coming on here and making comment under their name, but should they be making comment?? are they representing the standing committee when they do? and if not is it wise to comment?
I’ve been around for 16 odd years in the game and to be honest at National level there is no difference in the game. Full of in fighting, meetings, reviews, commissions but nothing new innovative or progressive. I think the game, overall has gone backwards. The SL/PL are great comps, but don’t appear to do much for grass roots Futsal(personal opinion). The move to AFC has created an opportunity for a team to play in the club champs, but what is AFC doing for the development of the game here. FFA, are not interested in School based Futsal or the womens game.
so while creating some elite levels, what is happening below.
I’ve had dealings with Vikings in Australia and I like what they stand for…. thats my opinion. A club management group structured to cater for grassroots Futsal. They have employed staff to get out in the community and schools and expose many to the game. Yes they run their own tournaments now, but they are just catering for their members. I hear and have read about them “making money”, this comment always amuses me as what organisation dosn’t want to have a cash surplus, I’m quite sure FFA want/need one each season and I’m quite sure the same can be said the same for each State Fed as well.. so the comment dosn’t cut it with me. (FNSW are planning a cash deficit next year)
Talking with some Vikings Staff, they want the same as FNSW and want to be involved with FFA, but they also want to ensure that the FUTSAL players (everywhere) are well catered for, not some football assoc just paying lip service as has happened before and continues to happen. I am also curious as to why people only ever mention Vikings on here, what about FFAO, Brazil soccer Schools, Futsal Oz and the 4 or 5 other so called national Futsal orgs that seem to float around… google them I think you will be surprised. I can only assume that it’s because they fear what Vikings do and can do in the future otherwise why wouldn’t people right them off like all the other Futsal bodies.
I caught up with the New Zealand guy earlier this year, Paul Wadsworth, who attended an OFC Futsal and beach soccer congress in Tahiti. He tells how the Fifa representative sat with him explaining FIFA have been following what Vikings do and that there would be no other organisation in the world like them dedicated to the grass root development of the game. Sadly at the same meeting the OFC technical director stated he didn’t believe Futsal was the way to go with for the development of Football. Paul, agreed with him, it’s not, it’s a sport in it’s own right. Looks now like OFC are getting their act together with Futsal which must be encouraging.
I look foward to the FFA taking Futsal serious, but are not holding my breath. I can’t wait to read the review (I’m sure most if not all on here are the same) some clarity on the direction of the game will assist with stopping most of the crap that is posted here.
sorry all for such a long post
@Ole
Re: “Lorenzo and Frank are on the FNSW futsal standing committee, and full credit to them for coming on here and making comment under their name, but should they be making comment?? are they representing the standing committee when they do? and if not is it wise to comment?”
Yes…I represent the Standing Committee and yes as representative my job is to answer peoples questions regarding what we do. Through the Administrator of this site I have made my contact details available for anyone to contact me for clarification of anything to do with FNSW Futsal. I use my name so that you know who I am and can be held accountable for what I say.
I don’t belittle Vikings achievements and have nothing but respect for the thousands of people that help make this sport what it is. Can it be improved? Of course !
I’m elected by the members….the Clubs & Centres of FNSW to represent their views and direct policy for NSW. I have no opinions just statements of fact and if I don’t know the answer to a question I will tell you and then will try and find the answer.
People need to remember that Vikings through FQ were affiliated to FFA until recently and had been so for many years.Things changed for their own reasons and so while we all wait on the outcome of the National Review, we’ll continue to do the best job we can to change and inprove Futsal from within.
Ole the reason why I have a go at Vikings and not other futsal organisations is because F.Sala likes to make sarcastic personal attacks. I have said before and I will say it again. If he stops personal attacks and simply makes comments on the issues, so will I.
Henky , nothing will change ! As Lorenzo states, I am here for entertainment…my God you lot can be so stuffy ! I agree with Franks’ statement of accountability. If you make an absolutely stupid comment you should stand accountable for it, and haven’t I a lot of ammunition for response ! lol
Unlike you though people can say whatever they like to me or about me, I appreciate it and treat is as a compliment……!
F.SALA
FSala: Just a gentle reminder
Efficient: being good at something (in your case baiting people and generally being a king size tool)
Effective: achieving your goals (in your case it should be attracting people to the Vikings bandwagon)
Keep pissing people off, you never know what is around the corner…
Fence sitter…Growing old is mandatory , growing up purely optional !!
(why are you repeating yourself, do expect a better response the second time around or have you just run out of original things to say ?)
Because I am used to dealing with toddlers, and so far that is the mental capacity you have demonstrated…
Excuse my ignorance but what is a national review?
A national review is a bit like a Royal commission Kris.
It takes way to long to execute.
Costs way too much money.
Doesn’t have the confidence of all the people involved……..
And if the findings aren’t what were to be hoped for not all the information is made public.
Fsala
We don’t often agree but yes it has taken too long
And what will this review aim to achieve?
What is the end goal?
@ Kris Peters
The review is two fold: 1. To ensure we have the means in place to achieve our policies. 2. To review the existing processes and streamline where possible.
Frank, I appreciate the fact that you only sit on the FNSWF standing committee (which in itself sounds like a conflict of interests !lol) so may not be privvy to the whole review contents but are we ever going to see the entire report ?
As my dearest friend and ally – Lorenzo reminds us its 6 months overdue and still counting ?
Hi F.Sala,
The short answer is yes!I have been briefed on what FNSW knows but that still doesn’t answer the question. FFA has started talking to the State bodies about what each State has in the way of Futsal and FFA has also been having discussions with Alistair. So hopefully that will lead to something in the next few weeks.
Sorry Kris Peters, my erlier answer was in the context of the FNSW review.
The National review is supposed to state the current status and recommend a national direction for the States to follow. It is to make recommendations on what we need to do to get there. Now most of us here are aware of the current status and each State has some direction but none being the same. F. Sala and I actually agree on many things just not on the how.
Its an easy solution Frank, they only have to ask me !!!
So its taken 6 months and no resolution. Insane people.
So then what happens with season 2009?
Does the Premier and State leagues exist and if so which teams are playing where? Is it a FNSW competition or a Viking competition or possibly a bit of both?
KP
Kris don’t worry about it. Futsal life continues as normal in NSW in 2009.
Premier League and Super league will carry on with 95% of the same clubs partaking. They will still be a great comps and will unveil more top players.
Vikings will start their comps on a smaller scale since its hard to convince existing clubs to move away from the strongest comp in Australia, but they will still do well and attract an increasing number of players an clubs as time goes on.
Its all good for NSW overall.
@Kris Peters,
Kris nothing changes untill we hear different and in NSW, as I mentioned in my first reply, we are conducting our own review.
pritty much what you said tell_the_whole_story is what I wanted to know too…but nobody could answer the question for me!
So does that mean that Vikings will be making new clubs around Sydney to go in there new state league in NSW?
All this is going to do is just make things worse having 2 seperate bodies conducting competitions in NSW.
Hi Mike,
Only Vikings can answer that and I’d say it depends on the amopunt of interest they get. But yes that’s what their letter says.
@ mike. I think you are on the money. IMO Vikings are ’splitting’ the available player pool over two separate comps which will possibly reduce the strength of both competitions.
Just look at what happened at Nationals.
IMO they may be good for grass roots but are hindering, not helping the sport.
So what if my boy wants to play state or premier league this year his choice are FNSW or the Vikings comp?
When will the trials for Vikings start cause I can see that most other FNSW teams (I assume they are connected to FNSW) have started training?
If I read this corrrectly little Johnny trials for a FNSW Premier Team, gets cut then goes to a State League team and finally if that fails over to the Vikings. Is that the structure?
Funny how FIFA disagree with your opinion PJ.
Loved Franks comment about NSW having their own review…is it they dont trust the FFA either ? lol
Sounds like unity to me guys ! hahahaha
@Kris Peters
The FNSW teams are going through selection trials. Training (in most cases) will start in a few months.
The structure is that there are about 22 or so FNSW clubs trialing for both Premier & Super Leagues. At this stage nothing has been announced on here by Vikings as to when their proposed League starts.
@F.SALA,
We are conducting a review because its good business practice. Note that FFA are reviewing national issues and FNSW is looking after State issues.
@Kris Peters
I note that Botany Bay Pirates (In your area) are conducting trials for the 2009/2010 FNSW Super League season.
Dates: Sunday 19th and 26th July
Venue: St.George PCYC, 9 Ador Ave, Rockdale
Boys
U12 12:45pm-1:45pm
U14 9:00am-10:00am
U16 10:15am-11:15am
Youth 11:30am-12:30pm
Men 7:00pm-8:30pm
Girls
U12 2:00pm-3:00pm
U14 3:15pm-4:15pm
U16 4:30pm-5:30pm
Women 6:00pm-7:00pm
Please arrive atleast 20min prior to your trial time to register. All players require shin pads. Registration forms are available on the website :
http://www.botanybaypirates.com
For further information please contact:
Dez Marton 0419 012 002 or
Paulo Dutra 0488 776 566
Email: futsal@botanybaypirates.com
OOOHHH so it was presumptuous of me to think you were the NSW spokesperson for the national FFA review ?
What side are u on F.SALA? I dont get you…do u support Vikings or FFA?
Unlike others on here Mike, I’ll never say I wont join this group or that group ! As soon as the FFA do the right thing in response to the futsal review and Make Vikings their appointed provider of futsal nationally you can say I’m on BOTH sides !
Oh the strenght of yor conviction…
“I’m on BOTH sides!”
FSALA: You probably are old enough to remember a song from the late 70’s by Supernaut: I LIKE IT BOTH WAYS…
Yeah ok F.SALA i agree with you with that one…FFA arn’t doing a very good job with running futsal in this country…They should tell futsal NSW to start running futsal properly.
Sorry curious but I’m too old to even know of “supernought” ? (who the hell………?)
Is it a song that conjures up special memories for you ? lol
….. and therein lies the problem Mike !
(I guess you meant football NSW futsal…what a mouthful ! )
I am as straight as an arrow.
You are the one who confessed in wanting to have a foot in either “camp”…
Of you’re straight as an arrow Curious, why should anyone on here doubt your word ?
If its of any comfort I BELIEVE you ! lol
OH DEAR!!!!!!!!
WHO HONESTLY CARES….
Do you know what this is really about??
It is about Football Clubs and Federations being scared of losing players to Futsal in the long term and losing their sport to a bigger entity….
Well here is a FACT……
Football has the potential to be BIGGER and MORE POPULAR than any other sport in AUSTRALIA but its not……. WHY? because there is too much time making excuses and whining about reasons of why Vikings shouldn’t run Futsal and it should be under FFA, and that journalists give us a hard run and give AFL and Rugby all the news headlines, and why this and why that………
How about get off your arses and actually run the sport instead of sitting back talking shit!!! Stick to a model and implement it for a sustained period so you can see results!!! That is what Vikings have done with Futsal… Pathways that can be maintained and grown….. FFA has always looked for quick fixes in every area!!!! Look at the NSL, Look at the changes made at junior level, coaching accreditation, Styles of play, state body regulations and competition structures……. etc etc etc
AFL has the same system year in and year out = SUCCESSFUL
Same in so many other sports!
Most importantly same in OTHER countries within Football yet here in Australia we change the system every year…. One day we model it on Brazil…. next week we might try Italy or England……. oops Spain won Euro so try their style and WAIT FOR IT…… PIM VERBEEK is National coach and he is dutch so why don’t we invent 4-3-3 system and use “TOTAL FOOTBALL” from a young age and pretend its not outdated by the time it comes to fruition……
YES every world class team uses it now but news flash….. By the time our juniors get to the top level the top teams in the world will have innovated a new system…….
LETS BE LEADERS NOT FOLLOWERS!! YOU WANT A WORLD CUP THEN THINK OF YOUR OWN STYLE!!!!!
Hey Brasileira that was a bit close to the bone !’
I bet you have the Quarmby’s, Rossi’s and Henky’s jumping all over you…..trying to convince you you,re wrong.
Actually it will be interesting to see their response (dont hold your breath though !)
We do actually have our own style for the world cup finals, we are playing without a goalkeeper (Ive seen the youngsters training with this new system already !)
FFA is doing very nicely, thank you. Australian Footballers are now recognised around the world as well as Australia. Qualifying for the World Cup twice in a row after many failures in a divided Soccer Australia proves that FFA is doing something right by getting all the State bodies behind one authority. What Vikings are doing is going back to what Soccer was like 20 years ago. The response by NSW futsal players to the meeting called demonstrate that they have rejected this pathway.
Frank thanks for the Rockdale times above.
Which comp are the pirated playing in?
Henky, the States have always been behind the National body (ASA and FFA)! Are you taking credit for our overseas trained players getting us to the world cup finals ? (Not too many local boys in the first team is there ?)
I cant wait to see the look on Pims face when he’s told Schwarzer cant play , but no doubt we’ll have an extra defensive midfielder. It could catch out Brasil or Germany or the likes if they can stop laughing long enough !
Yes the FFA is trying to get football organised in Australia, which is no easy task, but it is also the MAIN reason they CANT handle FUTSAL as well !Just to educate you a little (and God knows Ive tried !) NSW is more than just SYDNEY…… in fact Vikings have been doing in country NSW for years what FNSWF couldn’t or wouldn’t do…..provide futsal ! One meeting to answer questions , not sign people up is the straw a drowning Victorian administrator is clutching at huh ? (personally I hope you dont drown as youre fun in a silly sort of way !)
Bob, all overseas players started off training in Australia under the FIFA affiliated body. Football Australia or FFA. The better ones went overseas. How many Viking players will make the futsalroos? None. Unless they register with FFA and are good enough to impress the next FFA national futsal coach.
Yes and if rumors are right that coach is very closely linked to Vikings…. but then it is just a rumor
@Kris Peters
They have applied for Super League.
Ole, regardless of who is chosen, the futsalroos will only come from FFA registered players. The national coach will be a FFA coach, not a Vikings coach.
What an ambition ! To play for the Futsalroos (now there’s another old fashioned horrible tag !) Several “Futsalroos” were coached by me as youngsters, so (according to your reckoning) I can take full credit for their skills and successes ! One game every 4 years, now there’s a pathway millions of Aussie children will want to gallop down !
Glad to see your’e in denial about Vikings coaches, Henky….hahahaha how it must hurt you to even say the word !
Do you use the name Bob because you cant spell F.Sala…or just to prove to all that you haven’t a clue ?
Just remember Henky, Mohammad went to the mountain not the other way round !I dont see Vikings going to the FFA ……….. ooooh thats gonna hurt !
Keep living the dream Henk.
All the kids in Australia oh sorry all the males in Australia as there is no pathway for women, must be very excited about one day playing for a team that plays at best once every 2 years.
Scott G was the last coach and he has been gone for quite some time. FFA are very serious about the futsalfools sorry futsalroos
There is not enough opportunities for youth development for Futsal in NSW. My son is in U16 and acknowledged by many (not just his doting mum!) as a really good player but very rarely finds the level of competition he seeks at club level. I think he has been a late bloomer, so by the time he started attending trials it was a bit of a closed shop.
If I’m wrong, and he is just not quite good enough to be chosen, I would be willing to pay for top quality coaching and development to give him that extra edge. All I can find on offer at present is development programs targeting existing rep players. He has done similar outdoor programs in the past and benefitted tremendously.
In our area of Sydney we have approx. 20 outdoor U16 teams (over 300 players in this age group) to vie for a handful of indoor position in the off-season.
For my son, there is no off-season. He made the decision this year that Futsal is his sport and did not play outdoor, instead choosing to practise his Futsal with whoever he could find, often against adults and uni students at Macquarie uni – usually for extended sessions 4- 5 times per week.
He has the will – just not the way…!
Isn’t anyone willing to run a program (still requiring an open trial) for these kids who don’t make it into rep?
No Bob, if you read the letter from FFA again, you will see that the only reason Vikings did not sign up with NSW Football was to do with the money, not because they thought NSW and FFA were such bad organisations. Football NSW was never going to sign on with Vikings, it was the other way around. Better check with your Queensland office, they have not denied the contents of the letter. NSW players have all voted with their feet. They are staying with NSW and FFA. You are not even a good loser, you are a bad loser.
You see Henk, this is the part I’m confused with..”Vikings did not sign up with NSW Football was to do with the money”.. the letter states that Vikings asked for a lower rego… NSW didn’t want to do this… then as sweetener is offering a 20% reduction in rego fee’s… ummmm so they are giving a lower rego fee.
I think you were right when you said “Football NSW was never going to sign on with Vikings”.
As usual there is 2 sides to every story and sorry I do not trust most news that comes from Football on Futsal…. have been around way to long and listen to way to much lip service and promises.
As for NSW players having already voted with their feet…. I think they are all to involved with their precious football to care about Futsalat the moment…. it’s just the few in here that have “voted”.
Ok. Now Im confused. If Des is with the Vikings why are the Pirates applying for Super League?
Henky, as you mature you will learn NOT to believe everything that comes out of the mouth of FNSWF or FNSW !
If everyone was as gullible as you Nigerian scammers would all be billionaires ! hahahahahahahaha
See you ve mastered the one syllable name again…you dummy !
Ive had a great idea Henky ! We all know football is struggling financially ? I have a new idea to save them many thousands of collective dollars !……….. Do away with Goal(post)s ! They’ve done away with goalkeepers so why need goals ? I see no-one has criticised me for my comments on this stupid move ! Are you all too weak to tell the FFA some home truths ? And you lot want to get hold of FUTSAL ????aaaaaaaaaagggggghhhhhhh
OOooohhhhh the mind boggles !
What’s the latest on all this?