Football NSW Letter to Clubs & Centres about Vikings
Football NSW clarify the situation with Vikings in NSW and pledge their ongoing support for the sport in NSW
Futsal4all has been given a copy of a recent letter sent to Clubs and Centres from Football NSW from the CEO Mike Quarmby in regards to Vikings, and the sport of Futsal within NSW.
We now reproduce the contents of it below :
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6th July 2009
Dear Futsal Clubs/Centres
The Board of Football NSW resolved in March 2009, to form a working party to review Futsal. The main objective of the working party is to review the current Futsal structure, develop a strategy to promote, develop and move the game forward.
The original working party included a representative of the Vikings and the CEO of PCYC. This gave these two organisations an opportunity to have a key role in helping to develop the sport.
During the meeting process the Vikings indicated that their main interest was in regional NSW in terms of Centres, Football NSW agreed to fund up to 2 Development Officers to assist this organisation in regional NSW and to assist other centres in the metropolitan area.
This was initially agreed to by Vikings but now they have advised the working party that they want to have their fees further reduced for the metropolitan area. Football NSW is unable to reduce fees any further in the metropolitan area for Vikings as Football NSW feel the fees should be the same for all centres/clubs in the metropolitan area and the Football NSW budget would incur a further loss.
Our objective was to have the sport under one banner in NSW. The working party made all efforts to make this happen. Unfortunately, the only major challenge was the Vikings ensuring their bottom line. Therefore, Vikings and PCYC, by their own choice to not come under the banner of Football NSW, will no longer be part of the working party or Football NSW.
Football NSW is committed to the development and expansion of the sport and we will have a budgeted loss next year to help these endeavours.
They include :-
- 20% reduction in registration fees
- FIFA and FFA recognised State and National Championship and development pathways
- Coach Accreditation
- Promotion of the sport
- National Television (Football Stars of Tomorrow)
- Website
- Media Coverage – Local Papers
- Radio
- Production of promotional material
- AFC Futsal Championships
- Well covered insurance for Centres, Players and Officials
- being part of the largest sporting organisation in the Country
- State and National exposure of the Premier League and Super League competitions
Initiatives:
- Football NSW will employ Development Officers to work with Centres in maximising their Futsal requirements. One initiative will be by way of working with our outdoor associations and getting their support. Another is we are working with our insurers to facilitate next season, that no outdoor players who want to play Futsal will have to pay insurance. This will lead to a further reduction in membership costs.
- It is also vitally important to protect your business and through the standing committee they will be responsible to help limit competition to you by those centres not affiliated to Football NSW
- Bi-monthly meetings will be convened with Centres to go over issues as well as new initiatives.
- Form a working party with representatives from Premier League & Super League Clubs to review the competition and provide feed back to FNSW.
- Developing accredited Coaches who can hold Coaching Certificate courses at various venues.
In summary, you are part of the Football Family, and through Football NSW, the only endorsed pathway.
Further, it is interesting that Vikings charge approximately $90.00 for an adult in Queensland and when asked why only $55 in NSW I was informed “because we have to be competitive with you”.
A meeting is being convened in early August with Centres and Clubs at which I will further discuss our initiaitives for you and the sports.
Yours faithfully
Michael Quarmby
Chief Executive Office
Football NSW
Note : The original Letter can be seen here (PDF)
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Good God… what is it with Football Assoc…. always the follower never the leader.
I’m curious at their comment that FNSW would not drop the registration for Vikings, but later on they state they are dropping rego by 20%… sooooooo what was the problem?? If I’ve read that right, they ARE dropping the fees. To prove their point they are committed to making a budgeted loss….
I just don’t get it…. why do they spend so much time trying to combat what Vikings are doing instead of leading the sport…. as many of you are aware, I’m not for having Football running Futsal, rather have Futsal run by Futsal purists (and not answering to football execs)and working alongside football. This letter confirms to me atleast, why Futsal is not in good hands when run by Futsal.
Flame away guys….
ooops when run by football
Ole
This letter confirms to me at least, why Futsal is not in good hands when run by Futsal.
I think you mean …when run by football.
I guess one could ask if Vikings weren’t in NSW would all these new benefits be rolled out regardless…I think not.
Big mistake going from cash flow positive to a loss to prove a point – at some time the books need to balance – just hope we don’t end up paying for this letter for years to come.
Initiative were in place to happen as part of the review but Vikings wanted a greater discount just for them.
The loss reflects the investment in more Development Officers that should by all accounts turn a negative into a positive.
So now that PCYC Centres have gone the way of Vikings does this mean that clubs such as Syd Magic, Benfica ect. will not be playing in the NSW futsal premier league? Will Vikings be making a new state league competition in NSW from scratch and incorporate Magic ect?
My congratulations to Mr Quarmby…wonderful letter ! Not too sure about its accuracy but wonderful all the same. I’m sure Freud had a term for believing something if you read it often enough ?
benfica will play out of a different centre probably. pcyc have the magic name only. all those players will move to other clubs to keep playing prem league rather than stick with pcyc and vikings where nothing of a similar standard exists.
Haven’t most of them already gone to Inner West All StarsS?
and most of those players are just footballers not Futsal players?
Frank, I do find it a little hard to believe you, this letter is clearly reactionary. I have not seen any results from a review published before and it would have made sense to mention that they were the result of a review in the letter.
maybe I’m just skeptical
I can confirm that I am part of that review (as are others)and that Vikings and PCYC were also invited and attended.
Note: The first two paragraphs in the letter outline when the Review started.
Ole, you just dont get it do you. The majority of players here have played both football and futsal for some time now and enjoy both. Is that a crime?
I have tried to keep informed on all the progressions that have taken place and would love to give a few comments. Firstly, Mr Sala i am quite stunned that you would congratulate Mr Quarmby on his comments. Did you not want to knock him about his appearance etc. like you have so many other people. Maybe being up there in the offices you might have to be a bit more diplomatic when it comes to people in higher places,and leave your criticism for the average person with a comment. You usually fitgh back, could you please inform us about thye inacuracies in his statement. Is it true you charge $90 for an adult in qld and were prepared to drop that to $55 in nsw. That would be a kick in the teeth for your staunchest supporters, qld where this whole vikings concept started wouldn’t you say. But maybe that is one of the inacuracies, please let us know. Second. I would love to congratulate the vikings on what they have done. Seems you have woken the sleeping giant, that being the governing body that controls all forms of football in this country. Just like every other country in this world. There are no other countries that i know of that run futsal as a seperate identity. Why would we want to be different to the rest of the world. I think vikings forgot to realise that when you come to the table with a governing body you can only have so much bargaining power. Third. Interested to see vikings nsw have taken on dez marton as the coaching director. I have a lot of respect for dez and what he has achieved in football, he is a legend. But can someone tell me what futsal experience he has. Arent vikings supporters saying they want people with futsal passion and futsal experience involved. Fourth…PCYC. Anyone actually checked how many courts they have in sydney. If you count the matchbox size courts of rockdale and glebe i suppose they might have a few. is this where vikings are going to play there state leagues. I dont see how these courts will prepare our players for the future of having to go overseas and play on international size courts. Maybe they will just do everything out of marrickville. And i would have thought PCYC was a non profit organisation. Is the drop in rego fees about the players or an increase in business profits. And lastly. Vikings talk about ffa only worryig about the mens futsalroos. Forgive me if i am worng but i would have thought it was every kids dream to play for there country in there respective sport. I have been told the qld vikings players took part in the last team that went to the world cup qualifiers under ffa. However the last vikings tour that went didn’t have those same players. would it be that they realise The FFA futsalroos’s is the pinnacle of the sport. Or maybe it was that they didn;t want to pay the money to go on th trip with vikings. Does the FFA charge the futsalroo’s to play at the highest level. FSALA maybe you can answer that. Hope it was worth reading to someone….
Very well said I thought.
sorry i must apologise there were a few spelling mistakes in there, should get in before fsala has a go at my english.very happy to go into lots more detail if everyone likes it…lol
Futsalfanatic…I got to your point about charging $90 in Qld and $55 in NSW . Here is another person who KNOWS NOT WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT ! CHECK YOUR FACTS FIRST MY SON>>>INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER YOU WILL NEVER BE !!!!! next ?
I noticed too, you didnt make reference to our children (prices etc)..the largest part of the sport ? Is that because you don’t care or you didn’t know ???
LOL
I’m sure the 99.5% of players who DON’T go overseas or play international games carry a tape measure in their pockets to check court sizes……….LOL LOL
No other countries run futsal “properly” ?
I wonder how long FOOTBALL having been running FUTSAL in B R A S I L ? LOL LOL LOL
Woken the sleeping giant ? King Tut is more active than your “giant” !
I wouldn’t criticise the appearance of Mr Quarmby (no disrespect intended) but I wouldn’t know him if I tripped over him !
If that was a reference to my questioning a guy having a pony tail ? well…sorry but in my day only girls wore pony tails , and I didn;t believe the earlier comment that he had one ???
Simon, I realise that the majority come from Football and play Futsal, but from what I see, and I admit I don’t see it all, in the precious PL/SL many are just Footballers, they play the precious PL/SL and no other Futsal…. so where is the development. I would rather create a Futsal player than try and convert a Footballer (ie one who only wants to play 10 weeks of the year) I mean no offense to Footballers.
Frank, if there was a review, where are the outcomes for us all to see or is another closely guarded secret like the FFA review. And I’m still waiting for someone to explain the..FNSW wouldn’t drop the rego fee’s for Vikings… but they are dropping fee’s by 20% comment in the letter. I mean no animosity…. it just didn’t make sense and seemed to be the biggest sticking point?.
Futsalfanatic, great post, is always good to read other points of view. I would have thought a “Governing Body” would govern… but it dosn’t it seems to follow and this letter is a case in point. There are more than just boys who play Futsal last time I checked… I’m sure the women would like a pathway (the Asian games are on shortly with womens Futsal)
Same old ranting from F.SALA but not addressing a single point with any facts himself. I hope everyone realises now that he is all talk and absolutely no substance and seemingly little creditability in the sport as each day goes on. Not once has he been able to add to a discussion without turning into a child and name calling.
toepoke I know quite a high percentage of premier league players who also play in weekday futsal comps. You are right, you don’t see it all and are therefore just speculating. They love the sport, and the *majority* in NSW play more than just on the weekends.
Tell the whole story…!futsalfanatic tells untruths on here because he doesn’t know.You want me to give you the information I know and he doesnt ? That’ll make you nearly as smart as me then eh ?
I dont criticise the FFA/FNSW price structure because I dont know what it is (and dont really care !).
Vikings have been growing the sport for a while now without hinderance…..dont worry about us just help fnswf sort their problems out.
We will continue to run amongst other things the largest Schools tournament in the world..we’ve achieved that by promoting youngsters (M & F ) development, not just men playing elite futsal. Dont worry about my credibility sunshine, you haven’t been round long enough ! lol
I doubt more and more that you are actually involved in the sport. Everything you say seems to just be quotes regurgitated from Vikings websites. Nothing of any verifiable substance.
You do liven up the debates though, so maybe you are useful in a small way on this website, but certainly not useful for the sport itself.
F.Sala, the more you say the more you kill your own argument.
Keep making comments….
toepoke I’ll try to answer your question as best I can.
Your Question: Frank, if there was a review, where are the outcomes for us all to see or is another closely guarded secret like the FFA review. And I’m still waiting for someone to explain the..FNSW wouldn’t drop the rego fee’s for Vikings… but they are dropping fee’s by 20% comment in the letter. I mean no animosity…. it just didn’t make sense and seemed to be the biggest sticking point?.
The review is still in progress and is likely to go another 4 weeks. Initial outcomes have already started to filter to our members. A full briefing to our Clubs and Centres of where we are up to and where we are going is scheduled for early August.
As part of the review we were able to reduce registrations by 20% and we were able to reach an agreement with Vikings for “Country” registrations but at the 11th hour Vikings decided they wanted more.
Hope that helps……sorry for the spelling!
ahhhh fsala. as usual again your comments have substance and intellectual facts.as i am an observer, i thought i would ask you some questions, would you like to answer them. let me ask them again.
1. do you know if the futsalroo’s pay to go away as your vikings men team did.
2. do you know why the players from qld vikings that played in the futsalroo’s didn’t go away on your self-pay vikings trip.
3.do you think it is a kick in the teeth to charge your loyal supporters in qld $90 and then come to sydney and offer rego fees of $55.
4. do you think it would be every kids dream to represent there country at the highest level.
5. are you saying the cbf dont run futsal in brasil.
6. what facts do you have to back up your comment that futsal is run poorly in every other country. are you now saying that over the whole globe there is only vikings that are doing futsal the justice it deserves.
7. did you stop to think that i was only talking about adults rego’s because thats all that was spoken about in the letter. is’nt it you that send not to talk without facts. children will always be the future for the sport.
8. wouldn’t you think that someone with your intelligence would think about prejedice comments like the way people wear there hair.
9. did you say in YOUR DAY, i would have thought again a man that knows so much would be up to date on life today.Geez i mustn’t be watching stars overseas earning huge maney with ponytails. must be a different sport.
PLEASE EVERYONE OUT THER ENCOURAGE MR SALA AS BETS YOU CAN TO ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. LIKE I SAID I AM ONLY AN OBSERVER WHO I CAN GUARANTEE HAS BEEN IN THIS SPORT AS LONG AS HIM. BUT I AM ALWAYS WILLING TO LEARN.
SORRY SALA A FEW MISPELLINGS. HAVE PITY ON ME.
Bloody hell…… and the merry go round continues.
I think it’s safe to safe that on here no one has all the facts (even F.Sala and Frank) but state their opinions. As toepoke said it can be nice to read the opinions of others as they are just that opinions.
I’m still not convinced Frank that FNSW isn’t doing all the chasing at the moment. I say this only due to the fact it all seems so reactionary. If the review is not complete surely it’s a little dangerous to be releasing details from it before it has been signed off… again… just my opinion
F.sala seems to have most of you where he wants you… now before you get upset, I mean this purely as he draws a reaction. I think I know F.sala and if it is who I think he has a lot of time invested in Futsal.
My understanding is that in Brazil Futsal is run by a separate body affiliated back to the CBF. Talking with Mauricio, who is heavily involved and has experience here in Australia, this seems to be a successful system. One I would like to see here.
flame away
Thankyou ole, some information without insult. and dont worry ole i dont think anyone is getting upset.
Hi Ole,
The only information released so far is pertenent to PL/SL and Registrations as its that time of year.
sounds like the recently released FFA national development program “mentioning futsal and outdoor clubs too unify” is in direct contrast of what Vikings want for futsal.
personally like the idea of a futsal clubs being linked with professional outdoor clubs and futsal being used as the development tool for kids 7’s – 14’s.
Could you imagine Qld Roar Futsal or Melb Victory Futsal. Now that would be good for the sport.
Jogo…. when you say development tool for kids 7-14 are you meaning for Futsal or Football??
I think you will find Vikings in Queensland has a relationship with Queensland Roar not sure where the direct contrast is there. If you check with Vikings Vic they run small sided games for football clubs in Melbourne.
I’m only not a fan of Futsal being governed by Football at state or national level rather being an affiliate.
Ole,
I think you are on to something. Here’s something to think about:
FFA govern the sport by accrediting, monitoring (and sanctioning/de-registering if need be) Futsal specific state bodies. If they want them to report to state football bodies thats fine but not preferred.
FFA can set up a national board (representatives from the states and the FFA) who:
1. run the national championships. They can award hosting rights to states who wish to host them through a bidding process. (I’d love to see a national league but one step at a time.)
2. To fund the national teams (men/women/youth) program (its criminal that players have to pay to represent their country.)
3. To manage the national development plan for futsal (coaching/referees/etc.)
Each state would be required to lodge accurate registration numbers (audited) and a nominal fee per registration. Lets say $20 for example.
Each state body would be responsible for
1. managing the state teams
2. managing the state component of the development plan
3. accrediting local futsal providers. This could be large bodies like Vikings and PCYC or individual clubs. Basically anyone who wants to and can meet the standards and pay the individual fee.)
4. referee/coach development programs under national guidelines
Lets say the states charge each provider $40 ($20 for FFA and $20 for state costs) per player. Individual futsal providers would then be able to provide a product that allows players to play for their state and country, be a part of a national development plan, and have coaches and referees accredited nationally and with AFC and FIFA whilst running their club basically the way they see fit and regardless of their “values.”
Under this model FFA can control how the sport is run making sure benchmarks are set and met without getting their hands (or their state bodies hands) dirty. FFA dont want to run individual clubs, leave them to Vikings, or whoever.
Smash me away…
So this year in NSW Premier League there will be no Sydney Magic club and other clubs which are part of PCYC’s (I think Parramatta)? and Benfica will be a new name?
First timer here, so here’s my two cents worth.
Most of you create more damage then good.
If you don’t know the facts you should butt out.
Frank Rossi, remember son, if you don’t have opposition you don’t have to put your prices down. Qld. Vikings don’t have any. Just like FNSW before Vikings arrived. So whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
To all, where did you get the figure of NSW Vikings charging $55.00 senior rego???? Its actually $50.00.
Australia is the only country where futsal is not controlled by a futsal national body.
FSALA you’re funny, sometimes I don’t know how to take your comments (LOL) Please don’t stop or it would be no point visiting this site.
PS sorry in advance about my spelin.
I’ll take 2 in 10 if you dont mind ! These people quote information they usually get 2nd hand . When I tell them theyre wrong they want all the information from me ! (lazy buggers!)
No offence futsalfanatic but I think you got so enthusiastic with your questionnaire that English flew out of the window..up to the bit I didn’t understand I loved it !
Do I think I was prejudiced in my comments about men wearing ponytails ? Possibly but I’m not alone am I ? Whatever next, referees in skirts ? lol
I saw GC Utd beat Fulham last night…at half time some young kids amused themselves trying to kick a ball into a hairnet spread over a small frame
Didnt appear to be any goalkeepers anywhere !!!! Someone told me it was “Booball” ? Perhaps the boos scared the goalies away ? I bet Schwarzer was impressed to see his jobs’ now obsolete !!! hahahahaaha
For all you futsal purist, you need the football players playing futsal. Given the choice between football and futsal, every player I know would choose football, as the glamour, the exposure and the money is in football regardless of where you are in the world.
So, both of your mates prefer football, Paul ? We’ll duly note that for you !
Hey guys…F.Sala would love to see football clubs and futsal clubs UNITED !
But……….in a country where both codes respected each other, where football was well administered, where football was progressive and proactive, where football was sound financially, where futsal would get a “fair go”……
Yes..UNITED.. unfortunately I would have to migrate overseas to see that !
(But I aint going !!!!!!! lol)
Paul, you sound like every football club I’ve ever come across….. stick with us son we can get you a trial for Man U.
I do agree that given a choice between playing for man u in football or Malvee in Futsal every person would choose football… BUT, this is the real world and not every person gets to play Pro Football, in fact some don’t make it out of Blacktown 5th’s, but those players have a pathway in Futsal… but then you hear of the 5th grade coach telling the player “Futsal will ruin your Career”…. what bloody career… “you need to be at all the pre season trainings and trials…” for 5th grade!!
In my 16 years in Futsal I’ve seen players not make rep outdoor sides one year, go and play Futsal make a rep side and then make the outdoor rep side the following year…. this must be good for the both sports as the talent pool keeps increasing.
As said, there is room for both sports, and for both to be self governed and related. My personal opinion is Football in Australia is so messed up within itself, that they in some way envy some of the freedoms that Futsal has. ie/ relatively young sport, easily set up and administered.
F.Sala…. I too can’t grow a pony tail anymore… lol
Sorry all… just one more thing.
In light of this letter and Frank informing that it includes information from the yet to be released review, I’ve had a look at their points and can’t really see what more is being done.
* 20% reduction in registration fees
Always good to get a reduction
* FIFA and FFA recognised State and National Championship and development pathways
Does the majority of players really care if it’s FIFA or FFA Nationals or just a few?
* Coach Accreditation
would have thought this had been done before, no need for a review
* Promotion of the sport
would have thought this had been done before, no need for a review
* National Television (Football Stars of Tomorrow)
Is this Futsal or Football..anything on tv is good though
* Website
would have thought this had been done before, no need for a review
* Media Coverage – Local Papers
would have thought this had been done before, no need for a review
* Radio
this falls under media coverage, no need for a review
* Production of promotional material
would have thought this had been done before, no need for a review
* AFC Futsal Championships
Is an invite from AFC not something FFA or FNSW created, in saying that good pathway
* Well covered insurance for Centres, Players and Officials
would have thought this had been done before, no need for a review
* being part of the largest sporting organisation in the Country
I presume it means football
* State and National exposure of the Premier League and Super League competitions
would have thought this had been done before, no need for a review
So really there is not a lot new in these outcomes that hasn’t been done before. the one thing that stands out for me which is great is the registration price reduction….. but this was apparently the sticking point with discussion with Vikings but is actually happening
D Mac I think paying affiliation fees is fine but it’s only the amount that they want that will kill the idea.
Based on your $20FFA/$20 State body ratio what would be a fair registration fee in your mind.
And keep in mind that in some areas not as affluent as others you still want to bring sport to those players as well. Hence why some areas will have different sign on figure.
State bodies can’t tell someone to go and develop the sport and do their job for them and still expect the same pay for less work or outlay.
I think the FNSW experiment has proved that point.
ole, maybe all the things you say should have been done before haven’t. if so don’t you think its great for the sport that it is now being reviewed. one only hopes that they actually do something and not just talk about it. reviews are great but acting on them is what will count. only time will tell.
does anyone from vikings what to talk about the meeting that was held the other night in nsw. is it true that no more than 10-12 people turned up. if so would this be a concern considering how big the push is for vikings to come into nsw.
@Ole & @futsalfanatic
Frank said: “The only information released so far is pertenent to PL/SL and Registrations as its that time of year”
To me that suggests that what is in the current letter is NOT what has come from the review – except for registration amount.
And as for the fee reduction – when the two groups were working together, keeping the fees at a level that keep the budget balanced is a good business move. Once you have to compete with another body who is happy to drop their prices (as is evident Vikings Qld v NSW) then you have to take different action to be competitive and keep market share. That’s just business – and it’s a sensible move from Vikings trying to penetrate a new market. I wouldn’t drop market share and prices together. I’d sacrifice fees for same or better market share because in the long term you can increase in the fees. It’s harder to sell the product for more to a new punter.
futsalfanatic…love your term “big push” into NSW ! Just for your edification – Vikings have been operating in NSW for many years, they go where the demand dictates. If nobody wanted Vikings, how long would they last – honestly ?
There is no conspiracy or invasion – Vikings are providing what the current organisers/providers …….cant (or wont!)
Queensland Futsal have serviced Northern NSW well when it was not looked after by any other NSW body. Northern NSW Football Federation are doing a bit better now, and I’m reasonably certain that was with Queensland Futsal help.
Vikings “big push” is correct when it comes to metro Sydney where they are trying to get a foothold now. The only club operating for “many years” there is Albion Park which – FOR YEARS AND YEARS been a FNSW club.
The main driver behind the competition for years has been Bob Raso, even when he was an employee of Futsal NSW so I think that “going where demand dictates” is a misleading statement here. It was a simple change of allegence.
Name one venue in NSW other than Miller that has been set up from scratch by Vikings since Vikings stopped being “Futsal Queensland”.
Divine sorry you are wrong in the fact about Qld Futsal helping Nthn NSW
Qld Futsal never operated outside Qld.
Vikings…. Yes ..but that is not Qld Futsal
Queensland Futsal
Vikings
“You say potato, I say potato”
Same staff, same management, same web site. Same organisation.
How About Port Macquarie for starters Divine ? There’s one …do you want all of them ???
There are more than 10 football players to every 1 futsal player. Futsal will never be treated as a serious sport with the bitching going on now for a very small piece of the pie.
Yes Paul, a tiny, tiny piece of the pie. 8 persons attending the meeting called by Vikings. I wonder if FSala can spin that into 80, 800, 8,000. Go for it. Tell everyone that at least Vikings are trying. Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.
Paul I totally agree, too much negativity, too much bitching.
“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.” (Henk)
What an absolutely appalling attitude! Sure you must play to win, but also you play to develop, to improve, to keep fit, to have fun, for the rush of adrenaline for all sorts of reasons.
So sometimes you lose, so what, it’s no biggie; pick yourself up, learn something and have another go!
Thank heavens for good losers. Have you not noticed that bad losers are usually bad winners too?
Sorry if this is a bit off target for this thread, but there is such bad attitude displayed here that it’s no wonder the sport is tied in knots.
Do your homework Henky ! It matters not to Vikings if noone turns up at a meeting..they are still the largest provider of futsal in Australasia !
Of course you can show me losers………. you live in Victoria !
Gotta go the beach beckons ! lol
what a load of shit that is on this thread!!
Maybe that Rossi bloke should get out there and do more for the sport instead of just writing rubbish on here!!
Also Paul,
I have played Football since I was 6 yrs old and played at every FFA Nationals as captain of my state side and I have also played Futsal for my state side for 3 years now at senior level.
I would play Futsal (high level)over any form of Football any day!!! In saying that obviously if your talking about professional Football it is different but how many Australian’s make it in the big time??
well said brasileira
Small piece of the pie? Maybe for the moment. My 9 year old son plays both outdoor and Futsal. If he had to choose between the two he is Futsal 100%. Why?
More touches & afterall, that’s what it is all about. Who wants to stand around watching with hands on hips. I expect that by the next generation, this attitude will be the norm.
For the record, he is a Vikings participant and here are 3 reasons why..
1) By far superior coaching here in Vic
2) FFV can’t even get a Super League up and running
3) FFV CEO Matt Rendell was recently quoted in Goal Weekly (check it out on the web for yourselves) as saying that the FFV must use Futsal better as a tool for revenue raising (the only time in the whole article he ever even mentioned Futsal).
At least Mr. Rendell is honest with his Futsal intentions I guess – or lack thereof. I suspect the loser Henk referred to might actually be anyone who supports an organisation (like FFV) who admit that Futsal is nothing more than a vehicle to increase its bottom line with.