The Sydney F-League is coming!
A new Winter League starting April 2010. Full Stopclock games on a full international court with $7000 in prizemoney on offer
Futsal4all is very pleased to publish the following Media Release regarding The Sydney F-League.
Lots of commenters here on F4A argue with each other over the lack of progress in the sport (locally and nationally) and that someone should do something about it. Rather than just talking about it, the group below are actually doing something about it, and have put a lot of time and thought into what is being proposed below. Starting in NSW, the long term goals are to expand to a National League, and to be professional in their approach to everything they do.
This is well worth your time to read, and we recommend anyone in the sport in NSW and Nationally who wants to be a part of it to get in touch with them to express your support.
THE SYDNEY F-LEAGUE IS COMING
On 10 April 2010 international style futsal in Sydney will become a reality. The Sydney F-League will become the only professional standard futsal competition playing stopclock matches in the country.
The Sydney F-League aims to become the most professional futsal competition in Sydney and Australia and applications for entry are now open.
With the league taking place over the winter months, The Sydney F-League gives Sydney’s best futsal players the opportunity to hang up their football boots and play futsal at an elite level all year round.
Eight clubs will fight it out over fourteen rounds and a finals series at the Dural Sports and Leisure Centre in order to become crowned the Sydney F-League champions with a total of $7,000 prize money for the competition winners.
The Sydney F-League invites all futsal clubs and members of the Sydney futsal community to get involved in this exciting new development. Dedicated members of the futsal community are also invited to contact The Sydney F-League regarding paid employment as league officials.
An information pack is attached with this media release and contains everything futsal clubs require to learn about the competition and apply for entry.
The Sydney F-League team is currently in negotiation with potential sponsors, media coverage and apparel suppliers for discounts to club uniforms.
Applications for entry to The Sydney F-League will close on 29 January 2010.
For any questions regarding applying application for entry, getting involved or further information about The Sydney F-League please email sydney@f-league.com.au
Information Pack :
The Sydney F-League Official Media Release (PDF)
The Sydney F-League Explained (PDF)
The Sydney F-League Competition Regulations 2010 (PDF)
The Sydney F-League Application Checklist (PDF)
The Sydney F-League Squad Registration Form 2010 (DOC)
The Sydney F-League Club Entry Form 2010 (DOC)
Note Futsal4all has included the contents of the ‘F-League Explained’ below for convenience. We highly recommend you still read the full PDF though.
THE SYDNEY F-LEAGUE EXPLAINED – FAQs
Club Officials should ensure they read and understand The Sydney F-League Competition Regulations 2010 as well as reading this document. If there are any further questions regarding the competition club officials should email sydney@f-league.com.au.
What’s The Sydney F-League about?
It’s about providing two things – a serious competition for those who want to make futsal their sport of choice all year round and a stepping stone to making the players in our league more capable of playing in a stop clock international standard game environment.
You’re playing in winter. Won’t the good players just go and play football?
Maybe they will, maybe they won’t – but at least they’ll have the choice. We are confident that there are enough competitive guys out there to allow eight really good teams to get running. If you’re based in Sydney and you want to play senior futsal for NSW and Australia, this is the competition you’ll need to be playing in.
Will The Sydney F-League be affiliated with Football NSW?
Yes. The Sydney F-League will seek to become a sanctioned Football NSW futsal competition.
$5,000 Entry!! Are you SERIOUS?
Deadly serious! Serious about providing the best club competition this state has ever seen. You can’t do that on a shoe string and we’re not going to try. And if you win it, it won’t cost you a thing.
But it’s FIVE GRAND!
If you were to register 15 players, it would cost them about $334 each. Compare that with your outdoor registration fees for the year or even your local registration fees then match fees on top. It’s not unreasonable. And if you can snaffle a sponsor it could get really cheap very quickly.
Eight teams each paying $5,000 is $40,000! Where does all that money go?!
Straight into the competition. It will pay hire of the venue, advertising boards, match balls, programs, photography, a website, pay for administration officials and referees and of course prize money. Every cent of entry fee money will go back into making The Sydney F-League the best futsal competition in the country.
Why is there a $250 application fee?
We want to make sure clubs expressing interest to play are serious. Don’t worry – if the application is not accepted or you withdraw your interest you’ll get the money back.
How do I pay the required fees?
Once you get in touch with us about applying we’ll give you the relevant details for electronic funds transfer or cheque.
What will result in a successful application?
We’re looking for clubs that will benefit the competition. Talented players, experienced coaches, good disciplinary records and a culture that is all about being a professional futsal team. Obviously if you have sponsorship and/or good financial backing that will highly benefit you application as well.
I have a group of players and officials that want to form a team but we’re not currently a futsal club. Can we apply for entry?
There is nothing to stop you entering as long as you have a name and a logo. Essentially you should just start a ‘club’ for the purposes of the competition. Better still, go and get backing from a current football or futsal club or even a futsal centre. Keep in mind though that established futsal clubs will probably get given priority – unless you have a seriously talented coaching and playing roster and of course the money.
What do I need to include with my application?
Details of this are all on the checklist. But summed up in a sentence, you need the Club Entry Form with your clubs details, the Squad Registration Form with accompanying paperwork as well as photos of all your players and a high quality digital file of you club’s logo.
Why are you playing all the games at Dural?
There are two good reasons to use Dural. Firstly, Dural Sport and Leisure Centre is a long time supporter of futsal and this is no exception. They want to push the sport as much as anyone and have given us a good deal to get this show on the road. Secondly the facilities are as good as any, anywhere. The pitch has hosted several internationals and for spectators, the grandstand and café should satisfy.
Who are the “Sydney F-League Officials”?
The Sydney F-League Officials will be futsal enthusiasts, paid by The Sydney F-League, responsible for assisting us with the administration of the competition on match days. If you think you have what it takes to be a Sydney F-League Official, send us an email with your credentials to sydney@f-league.com.au.
What’s the deal with the kick off times?
Each club will be rotated though the various kick off times throughout the competition. That means your club needs to be able to play at 11am, 1pm, 3pm or 5pm each week.
Can we make changes to our squad during the competition?
Up until 11 June 2010 you’ll be able to bring in new players. If the player is transferring from another Sydney F-League club, he must not have played more than three matches for someone else.
The kit requirements… We need to buy a lot of gear don’t we?
It depends on what you define by ‘a lot’. Two full kits of shirts, shorts and socks is pretty standard for all semi-professional levels of football or futsal competition. And yes, all of your shorts must be numbered in addition to the shirts.
What’s the deal with goalkeeper kits?
The same deal as player kits. Goalkeepers have to wear their club’s registered goalkeeper kit, they cannot wear any shirt with a number they want. And like players, they need to have a first choice and second choice kit. If any of your outfield players is going to be a “5th man” or “Flying Goalkeeper” they need to have their own goalkeeper shirt of the same design as well.
There are restrictions on sponsor placement as well?
Yes there are. The sleeves of shirts must be reserved for the competition and main sponsor logos. We’ll be responsible for organising and paying for that.
Can The Sydney F-League help organise my club a kit?
Absolutely. In fact we are also attempting to negotiate discounted kits for our clubs from local suppliers. Let us know what your requirements will be and we’ll do everything we can to see you are kitted out in the best gear for the best price.
Who are the referees going to be?
Just as we’ll be expecting the best possible players, coaches and clubs, it will be no different when it comes to the referees. The Sydney F-League will be working closely with the New South Wales Futsal Referees Association to make sure a panel of the most suitable match officials will be selected.
Why don’t you have a women’s or youth division?
The age old question. It’s a start up league. Maybe somewhere down the track we’ll get it going, but we’ll need twice the space and twice the officials and twice the number of people interested. Not to mention twice the money.
Where do you see this competition going?
Home and away eventually. It will reduce the entry fee, but up the ante for the teams wanting to play. From there, out to other states and eventually into a National F-League.
I want to become a Sydney F-League sponsor. Who do I talk to?
You can send any correspondence to sydney@f-league.com.au. We’d love to have a chat.
I am a gun player but don’t have a club. How can I get on the pitch?
Well the clubs will get to pick their own roster – we can’t help with that, but we will certainly let them know you are keen. Send your vital stats and playing resume to sydney@f-league.com.au.
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AWESOME!!!!!! this sounds great!!!!!! even if your not actively involved it would still be pretty good to watch. =D
Sounds pretty good to me guys! This will be a huge boost to the game, let’s hope it takes off in a big way.
… and Dural is such a long way to travel :)
This is gunna be fantastic
just 5 min from my place , great!
seriously speaking well done to the F-LEAGUE admin, this will work, I am sure of it.
The stronger the big 2 (Vic & NSW) are, the better. this will lay down some real strong foundations to an amazing national league in the near future.
I know for a fact the V-LEAGUE Commission is excited and is look forward in beating the same drum.
I personally think the only feasible idea of a “professional league” would be done during the summer and the clubs entering would be the clubs already in the FFV or whatever the NSW equivalent is.
Please don’t anyone try to argue that in our country that there are players who are FUTSAL specialist only for example the best player in Victoria is playing in the VPL. You will get the odd star during the winter I hope for their sake at least this F-League if they go through with it during the winter at least play the games on a Sunday and i hope they are not stupid enough to try this on a sat.
I also disagree completely with an independent outfit running a “national league”. I’ll be the first to criticise the FFV in regards to their dealing with futsal but an independent group runing something which is meant to be a STATE wide league doesn’t sit right.
I may be completely wrong here but for a competition like the V-League i doubt just on that particular wednesday league that much/any profit is made. Factor in the 2 refs being paid, camera crew, commentary, internet, admin etc I highly doubt that week by week much is made. I assume that that Futsal OZ uses the V-League for promotion of their other competition which is great. I think someone organising the proposed comp has to be in a situation where they would be happy with making a loss in the first season or 2 if not then any attempt will be doomed.
I heard there is going to be 4 referees D……
These blokes are trying to give it a go……with one thing driving them: Their passion for the sport.
4 referees and stopclock =D
” also disagree completely with an independent outfit running a “national league”. I’ll be the first to criticise the FFV in regards to their dealing with futsal but an independent group runing something which is meant to be a STATE wide league doesn’t sit right. ”
D, why dont the state bodies and FFA get up and do something about it then? This isnt taking a shot at anyone, but does it take an indapendent group to do a better job for them (FFA and state bodies) to wake up?
* independent.
please excuse my horrible typing :)
Ultimately it comes down to what do you want to achieve. Viking members will tell you otherwise but FUTSAL will never match the interest of outdoor soccer.
FFA and other state bodies just don’t have the resources nor is there a large enough incentive for them to get something done about it which of course is unfortunate.
Maybe someone from Sydney can fill me in but who exactly is behind this venture is it an already established futsal group such as vikings.
I still think the price is still far too high. 5000 dollars lets assume there is 21 games thats about 250 dollars a team a game works out be 500 dollars a game in revenue.
This is probably my real gripe about independent/official bodies. Let us for assume that it in fact will cost 40,000 in revenue to run again i highly doubt this but Im not privy to their plans so I won’t cast major judgement. Starting off will be the biggest cost just like in any business now a private group I don’t think will be willing to lower fees and make a loss in order for it to take off. A national body with more resources should be able to take the hit early and hope for it to take off and recoup the cost later.
“Ultimately it comes down to what do you want to achieve. Viking members will tell you otherwise but FUTSAL will never match the interest of outdoor soccer.
FFA and other state bodies just don’t have the resources nor is there a large enough incentive for them to get something done about it which of course is unfortunate.”
I agree with you completely.
“Maybe someone from Sydney can fill me in but who exactly is behind this venture is it an already established futsal group such as vikings”
just some people that are passionate about futsal and really want the sport to go somewhere.
“I still think the price is still far too high. 5000 dollars lets assume there is 21 games thats about 250 dollars a team a game works out be 500 dollars a game in revenue.”
Which I would assume would go to paying for court hire, paying the four referees, admin costs, paying match commissers, etc.
“Starting off will be the biggest cost just like in any business now a private group I don’t think will be willing to lower fees and make a loss in order for it to take off.”
where would these people get the money from? Or should we suffice with another substandard competition? god knows how many of those are around.
@ D
“Please don’t anyone try to argue that in our country that there are players who are FUTSAL specialist only for example the best player in Victoria is playing in the VPL. ”
That comment there shows us all how ignorant to futsal culture you are.
Sydney is full of these ‘Futsal Specialists’ – A number of the play in both the NSW Thunder and Futsalroos teams
Names such as Peter Spathis, Adrian Vizzari, Lachlan Right, Simon Keith, Chris Zeballos, Gavin O’Brien, Dean Lockhart, Tuan Cao, and Andrew Payne all come to mind… There are plenty more too.
Not to mention all the young guns that are coming through here in NSW.
The thing is, even if they are playing NSW Premier League Outdoor at the age of 21 or 22, they’re hardly going to make it as professional footballers.
But a number of these players might have a future, if they switched full time to futsal.
Of course they play football in the Winter – because there isn’t anything else to do in winter. But perhaps this league might change things.
We’ve never had an alternative to playing outdoor before.
Sorry I thought the article was about the ‘Sydney F League’?
I missed the part about how this competition presently and directly relates to Victorian Futsal?
Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t!
CC Futsal: get off the grumpy pills!
Can people do something else than just knock everything?
“CC Futsal: get off the grumpy pills!
Can people do something else than just knock everything?”
:S
have you been reading this thread?
im an quite confused about what you are referring to.
MEDWAY – “AWESOME!!!!!! this sounds great!!!!!!”
CB – “Sounds pretty good to me guys! This will be a huge boost to the game, let’s hope it takes off in a big way.”
PJ – “This is gunna be fantastic”
and the ones ‘KNOCKING’ are asking questions and putting their opinion, as they are entitled to. :)
how about you post something constructive, as opposed to misguided observations and meaningless rhetorical questions. ;)
I’ve got so much to say and so little time. But for now…
This is great for futsal in AUS.
Good luck to the unknown quanities behind the F League.
S-League or NSWF would have been more apropriate.
Certain rules and regulations have made futsal less enjoyable, and at a state level the stop clock will be one of them.
The costs and efforts involved in starting this league are scary.
How does stop clock make futsal less enjoyable? :/
Friend and Foe,
I would suggest that the lack of stop clock is one of the major reasons behind the limited success of the national team. The fact that our elite players do not have a regular stop-clock competition means that their preparation for international matches is below par.
D,
The F-League flyer gives a brief outline of all the costs associated with the competition such as prize money ($7000), league officials, referees, venue hire, admin costs, media etc. It all adds up and I believe that there is no intention of making any profit from entrance fees.
Also, I’m quite sure the competition organisers would be happy to provide more information if you send them an email – sydney@f-league.com.au
FRANK ROSSI, I will direct my questions to you as I dont know TG’s replacement ? Has FNSWF a new CEO/Gen Mgr yet ? (Or is someone on probation?).
Investigative journalism brings to light the fact that FNSWF has sent a letter out to all the clubs recently…oh yes, on Football NSW letterhead !!!!! Warning players that if they register with Vikings they will be deregistered and wont be able to play Prem/Soopa Doopa league or FOOTBALL !, Dual registration I think you call it ?
Please deny this publicly if I am wrong (and I will be the first to apologise) If I am correct please print a copy of this letter on Futsal4All so all readers can see it.
As Vikings are part of the worldwide AMF Organisation (nothing to do with FIFA or the FFA) I dont understand the dual rego part.. perhaps you can explain that ?
Do you think the FFA are comfortable with such a letter going out….? Ask them…I DID !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I look forward to your earliest reply.
I think the F-league is a great concept & idea.
Good luck to them, and stunning revelation F.Sala!
@ Specialist
“We’ve never had an alternative to playing outdoor before”
Yes we have. The Winter State League comp has been played at Homebush Stadium over the last few years has been quite good quality. Of course, not as good as the Summer Premier League, but still decent.
The idea is great- everything except the $5000 entry fee.. Cant believe you’re trying to create a “professional” futsal league, where the “professional” players have to fork out a ridiculous sum of money. Good luck getting 8 clubs to fork out that much!
In my opinion, stick to the old Winter State League. Let Futsal NSW continue to advance the Summer Premier League which will surely one day become a professional league..
Here’s a suggestion..
Why dont you have the Sydney f-league as an advancement of the Summer Premier League?
For a start, have the Sydney f-league playing in Summer. This will erode the competition with outdoor.
On Saturdays, let the junior club teams (12 boys- youth, 13 girls-women) play like they currently do, at various centres around Sydney…
On Sundays, have all 4 mens games playing at ONE centre, such as Dural.
Why not?
@F.Sala
The new Operations Manager is Damian Briggs. Feel free to contact him regarding FNSW policy.
Seeing you have side stepped my question Frank, I challenge Damian Briggs to enlighten us all on Futsal4all. Can you print a copy of this alleged letter for us all to see Damian….please ?
So the letter WAS sent out by FNSW and not FNSWF Frank ?
I’m gathering the “standing Committee” is sitting down on this revelation? There have been plenty of NSW “policy” banded around on his forum when it seems to suit.
To Franks credit he usually tries to front, so I guessing he is trying to gather more information before commenting further.
Threatening to Ban players is a lose lose situation for all, players won’t cop that on the chin at all, might as well ban the players from playing 5 a side soccer or rebound indoor soccer hell while there at it, ban them for playing cricket and league as well surely NSW Football is not that silly…. surely
I still stand by my comments… Football have no place in the day to day running of Futsal…. sense and rational go out the window….
@Ole & F.Sala
The Standing Committee is currently going through an election process with announcements of who is re-elected due by Friday. Now you know I can’t talk about NSW or FNSWF Policy while I’m not part of the process.
Nice reply Kevin, sorry Frank ! I’m sure none of us want a policy statement from you.
What do you know about this letter ? Does it exist ? Was it sent out with your knowledge ?
Ignore statements of policy, comment on the facts , please ?
Now on the F-League, the idea is excellent and I wish the organisers the best of luck.
Frank, does this (alleged) letter apply to players involved in the F-League (I’m sure they would like to know !)
Nominations for the Standing Committee were requested about 10 days ago. So untill next Friday (if elected), I’m a civilian with no club affiliations. This means I don’t know if anything has been sent out but I’m sure our clubs are in a better position to answer that.
Tell you what……. ring the FNSWF office and ask them. Didn’t you reply in a similar vein when I asked about Vikings staff playing in NSW comps? Again at the FNSWF State Titles, I see the Vikings Staff actively recruiting. Do you see me jumping up and down as to what’s fair……no. I’m just surprised that you’d think that everyone else wouldn’t.
Frank, I haven’t lived in NSW for many years so I dont see Vikings staff playing in FNSWF comps. Mind you as a sporting organisation we encourage everyone to play as much as they can and have FUN (including our own staff!).
I believe coaches and players registered with FNSWF have asked to play in Vikings nationals in Sydney, I would be very embarrassed if we refused anyone !
Your sentence of ” Do you see me jumping up and down as to whats fair….” Indicates to me that you DO know more than you are letting on about. I understand Damage control and don’t for one minute expect Frank Rossi to answer any questions on a subject he knows nothing about.
@F.Sala,
There’s a difference between players playing whereever they like vs Vikings Staff or Development Officers as they are called, recruiting while playing. For example, one of our coaches askes to play at your Nationals a you said, No big deal you say………but what if he/she starts recruiting? Bad Form!!
I can assure you Frank that we dont supply company baseball bats to any of our staff to force people into doing things they dont want to. As to recruiting whilst playing ? Geez they’re good then, I struggled to get my breath when I played, I certainly couldn’t catch the opposing pivot and ask him what he thought of ISA during a game!!!!!
(love your smokescreen…some may see through it though!)
Facts are facts. Tht’s what you askedof me. Are you saying that it didn’t happen? There’s nothing wrong with getting business but don’t do it in the Centre!
Anyway have fun everyone I’m off for a week.
No Frank I was actually asking about a letter from FNSW banning dual registered players form playing Football and certain Futsal comps ? But you appear to know nothing about it.
Bet there’s a few others that wish they had next week off !
Enjoy your holiday Frank.
Apparently dually registered players will be deregistered from FNSW for futsal and possibly outdoor as well.
I don’t think players should be able to play in FNSW PL or SL during the year and then desert FNSW for Vikings for Nationals.
This seems to be a very savy move from FNSW. Effectively they have drawn a line in the sand and said support us or support vikings or whoever. From a business point of view a very good move. From a futsal point of view very bad and we slip back into the dark ages with all of these shadowy organisations competing against each other.
THREAD HIJACK!!!
is it possible to make a thread just for F. Sala, for all his whining, so that he doesn’t continue to change every post made into a US v THEM / Vikings v FNSW????????
back on subject, if this competition went good, could anyone see a youth and womens component coming on???
This would also be great for the development of our referees. 4 referees sounds profession =D
***now expects attack from F. Sala
the joys of internet forums =D
alot of the quality players of the Futsal PL wont leave there outdoor clubs wen there gettin big match payments
Well from what I gather the concept is to have the futsal players who play football in the winter actually play futsal and not football.
You can’t say winter state league is our answer to a proper competition in the winter. That’s like saying the Hyundai a league is as good as Barclays EPL, yeah right!!!
If futsal is to get it’s spot light you have to play the game as it’s meant to to, no 25 minute halves etc, full international laws.
Yes the game is not at the stage for players to be paid, however the f-league is the first step towards it.
Those pesismists who are bagging it, I ask, what have you done to make the sport better and to get it to a stage where our national team can go to a tournament having regulary played international laws like every other country!!!!!
I would like to challenge anyone to come forward and say I attempted to recruit them to play at Vikings nationals whilst at state titles.. I did not speak to any single player in regards to this.. In fact in wat was my “spare time” I just played with my mates.. Something I think I was entitled to do.. And will continue to be. I do pay registration the same as anyone else right!
So please stop attempting to discredit me on here as at no stage did I attempt to recruit players. Plenty of ppl wanted to talk to me but I simply gave my number and said would discuss during week… So please enough of discrediting lies. I don’t say anything about you at all frank, please report correctly if you want to be personal..
which country play official law? name me them please.
How dare FNSWF threaten me with a ban. We do not live in a communist state who are they to say where I can and can’t play futsal! If these allegations are true then what about those who play futsal in country NSW with vikings and play outdoor too, are you going to suspend them from outdoor? How am I supposed to develop my futsal skills when they restrict me from playing in certain centres? Who does Mr Briggs think he is laying down the law as if he owns fustal? If this letter is true there may be ramifications from players and the sport will lose in the end
I think all this talk of a FNSW letter is fake, just vikings trying to stir the pot yet again and get a rise out of people.
So pleased to not be involved with them at all.
Can any of you complainers actually produce a copy of the letter, or at least give it to this site so we can all see it?
No, thought not. Happy to say the sky is falling and that any FFA bodies are the devil, but never with any proof.
I hope F.Sala is lying because a provocative letter like that will only destroy whatever is left of the sport in this country
Speedy, ring FNSW on monday and ask. They are quite up front about it all so I have found.
As for poaching, well there are one or two people I have heard doing it or getting others to do it for them.
@ Amanda
Hi Amanda…….we’ve known each other for a long time and have never lied to you. I haven’t mentioned you directly nor accused you directly but rather speaking about proper business policy. You have my email and daresay my mobile so just call and I’ll answer.
Now…. corporations make policy decisions to protect themselves and staff from being in harms way. Its not always about what an individuals rights are Vs what is the right thing to do.
Conflict of Intrest policies are designed to prevent people being placed in situations to have to defend themselves……. for example we wouldn’t allow Coaches to be alone with minors or the distribution of adult material in the work place etc are all designed to protect and maintain the individual from a compromising situation. Just suggesting that Vikings review their policy or that you review the policy for your interests.
Happy to talk to you any time.
This thread is exactly why this league and probably other leagues won’t work. The battle between Private/Governing factions will only continue.
So, which coaches from which super league or premier league clubs are also affiliated with vikings?
Which clubs themselves are aligning themselves with vikings?
A shorter list will be the countries that don’t play international laws, let’s start
1. Australia!
Perhaps you should have a look at all the European futsal leagues? Oh and give Toby Seeto a call (you’ll have to account for time difference between here and Spain though) and ask how good it is to play in a proper competition.
And the competition is run by an indepamt body so it doesn’t get into the goverance debate, so leave that discussion out of here.
Back on the note of countries that’s leagues play international laws:
1. Brazil
2. Spain
3. Italy
4. Argentina
4. Japan
5. Guatemala
now what do these countries have in common?
They all have leagues that play international laws and they also qualified for the world cup!
Australia does t play internationals laws nor did we qualify for the world cup
Speedy:
Which hole you just come out of, there are 22 Premier League and Super League clubs that have received this letter.
Are you for real?
NSW Football and the Futsal division clowns have made a lot of enemies since the letter was sent by email last Thursday,
Damian Briggs (Acting Manager) is not taking calls on this matter. I wonder why?
I’m not part of you organisation and I know more then you.
By the way, when I rang the FFA on the matter the answer was that they are aware of this letter and will get back to me, yea sure.
SO BACK ON THE TOPIC OF THE SYDNEY F-LEAGUE!!!
Some people have expressed concern over the entrance fee of $5K. I offer a simple answer: sponsorship. From what I have heard, Enfield Rovers this year managed to receive $50K in sponsorship so if they can manage that I doubt it would be very hard for a club to find a business or two willing to put up a few thousand dollars. Of course someone would actually have to go out and do some hard work, maybe that’s the problem….
As for keeping the Winter State League, are you serious?? I guarantee you if you asked any serious player whether they would rather play WSL on a Monday night, on a smaller court with shorter halves or in the F-League with an international sized pitch and full international rules they would pick the F-League every time.
NOW,SOME RESULTS OF A COMPETITION THAT IS IN EXISTENCE ALREADY BUT NO RESULTS ANYWHERE.PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT THIS LONG FOR RESULTS.DOES ANYONE HAVE THE WINNERS OF THE SUPER LEAGUE?LETS START WITH THE BASIC NEEDS FIRST INSTEAD OF TALKING BIG.
WINNERS-PREMIER LEAGUE RD 6
12B-VIPERS,COMMODORES,BENFICA,IW/SC DRAW
12G-QUAKE,DURAL,WR,IW
14B-QUAKE,COMMODORES,WR,IW
14G-VIPERS,DURAL,WR,IW
16B-VIPERS,COMMODORES,BENFICA,IW
16G-DRAW,DURAL,WR,IW
YTH-VIPERS,DURAL,WR,DRAW
WOMEN-QUAKE,DURAL,DRAW,SC
MEN-QUAKE,DURAL,WR,SC
CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP
QUAKE 14 VIPERS 14
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PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG WITH ANY RESULTS.
TALKING ABOUT TALENT IN FUTSAL,THERE ARE AT LEAST 30 BRILLIANT PLAYERS IN THE YOUTH COMPETITION.I HAVE BEEN AROUND FUTSAL FOR 25 YEARS AND I HAVE NOT SEEN SO MUCH TALENT,LETS MAKE SURE THAT THEY AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING BIG AND EXCITING TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
“As for keeping the Winter State League, are you serious?? I guarantee you if you asked any serious player whether they would rather play WSL on a Monday night, on a smaller court with shorter halves or in the F-League with an international sized pitch and full international rules they would pick the F-League every time.”
i would be sure that some teams/players may even wish to play in both. :) two games a week and one nights training… maybe :)
i hear SYDNEY MAGIC are applying for the F-league should be intersting
Sydney Magic can apply and run the risk of all being deregistered by FNSW for the 2020 FFA ping pong finals
Perhaps this isn’t the place for you F.Sala!
You’re probably right PD. I HAVE a sense of humour !
FNSW won’t be de-registering anyone who take part in the F-League… As it says above, the F-League will be a FNSW affiliated competition.
F.Sala – you could now at least take this rubbish into the news item regarding the FNSW Letter and stop clogging things up here.
Chuck – Interesting comment… Do you have a source or are you just stirring?
CB – you’re absolutely right. $5,000 isn’t that much if someone is willing to get out there and do some work. The amount of money Football Clubs have to raise to take part in elite competition is far greater.
Playa – It seems you have missed the point of what the guys setting the F-League up are trying to do… It’s a WINTER competition DELIBERATELY. Just because you wouldn’t give up playing football (obviously you’re not much of a futsal player anyway) doesn’t mean others will.
Seriously, now with both the Australia Coach + Assistant Coaches both selected and you could potentially see both of them viewing Sydney’s best futsal players competing under full international rules over the winter.
How is that a bad thing for the sport?
If guys want to play football… good for them – If some of the rising stars in futsal, who may be great state level footballers – but are never going to make it big – want to come over to futsal full time and make the switch, where is the harm in that?
Time will tell – good luck to the F-League.
If 15-18yr olds can go out and get themselves sponsorship deals to the tune of $5000 then surely a team of men could come up with sponsors for that amount.
No F.Sala your a tool!
“No F.Sala your a tool!”
Summed up my thoughts exactly..
omg, IT’S YOU’RE – NOT YOUR !
(why am I not surprised?)
will the f league also have a womens competition…..if not,there will be a lot of angry young women around………..be fair and support both genders.The more futsal all year round the better.
i love to stir…. i have a sense of humour also F.Sala…but u never no ;)
Hey chuck, imitation is the greatest form of flattery! I thank you !
To quote Mr Rossi:
Now…. corporations make policy decisions to protect themselves and staff from being in harms way. Its not always about what an individuals rights are Vs what is the right thing to do.
Conflict of Intrest policies are designed to prevent people being placed in situations to have to defend themselves……. for example we wouldn’t allow Coaches to be alone with minors or the distribution of adult material in the work place etc are all designed to protect and maintain the individual from a compromising situation. Just suggesting that Vikings review their policy or that you review the policy for your interests.
Happy to talk to you any time.
Mr Rossi, on this logic kids who play for both Cricket Australia + FNSW should also be expelled. With all due respect sir FNSW is NOT a corporation, it is a sporting body. A player who gets expelled by FNSW for playing vikings futsal may result in legal action for impinging on basic liberties.
@Davo,
Sorry but in that post I’m talking to Amanda regarding conflict of interest and what most corporations do about it.
The whole saga is quite funny and the final outcomes will be interesting.
At the end of the day FFA and member federations will win it is inevitable.
Well done to Vikings for running the competitions etc the past few years, they’ve done a good job…
FFA haven’t endorsed them for a reason and a good one too!
Davo: Thats the worst post in regards to conflict of Interest i have ever read got that one completely wrong there.
And at James who are these rising stars of Futsal and where exactly can playing futsal lead them. Fact is Futsal will lead you nowhere in Australia and how many Australians actually play o/s what like 1 or 2.
The top futsal players will often be top outdoor players in australia. they will be often playing in either the premier league or high state league gradings. There just isn’t the talent pool out there for a divide just yet. I still don’t understand why not make it a Summer League to start. In victoria where Futsal OZ is arguably the top league the quality in Summer takes a huge leap due to outdoor players coming back. The games are played on Wednesday which will mean a clash with training during Winter when players will cease to play and thats just with a training clash let along match day clashes.
What exactly is trying to be achieved by pitting it against the outdoor field. Alright maybe the top futsal players will decide to play only futsal but are you telling me these same players will not play during the offseason of outdoor. You play it during the Off season you get every single player to choose from and undoubtedly the quality will take a step up.
F.Sala and the rest of you whingers,
Please take note of the title of the article. It reads, ‘Sydney F-League’. It does not read ‘Anyone that wants to have a whinge about Vikings/FNSW/Amanda Bowering please post below’. So kindly take your rubbish elsewhere because there are people who are genuinely interested in promoting the sport here and we don’t care for your moaning and complaining here.
Bomba,
At this stage only a Mens competition is planned but in the future it is hoped that the competition will grow so that a Womens and possibly a Youth competition will be included. Like the A-League, though, it’s best to consolidate the Mens competition before we grow to include other divisions.
As with everything else, get the boys there and MAYBE JUST MAYBE the girls will get a chance if the boys want to let them in.
@ D
Your ignorance of the game astounds me. Or then again perhaps it really doesn’t.
The main problem is you obviously view futsal as a summer fitness regime for footballers other than a sport in it’s own right.
One rising star of futsal I’ll name is Danny Martinez. He plays for Campbelltown Quake in the NSW Futsal Premier League. He is a rep player for NSW and will be traveling to Iran with NSW Thunder next year.
Hopefully one day he might get a chance to wear an Australian jersey.
Who does he play football for? Sydney Wanders – In the NSW 1st Division, which is the THIRD tier of football.
One of Australia’s best futsal players Adrian Vizzari (Inner West Allstars FC) plays football at the same level as Danny. That’s right, ONE OF OUR TOP FUTSAL PLAYERS AND HE DOESN’T PLAY TOP LEVEL FOOTBALL. Futsal is his sport of choice.
I could go on, but the fact of the matter is that you probably have no idea who these people even are. So continue to sit down there in Melbourne and tell us all about your great Wednesday night competition that doesn’t even play on a full size field with a running clock that has a handful of ’star’ local league footballers.
The F-League doesn’t need to ’start out’ in Summer. The NSW Premier League is played in summer. As it says above, it’s all about giving players an opportunity to play futsal all year round – And believe it or not, here in NSW there are actually people who believe in futsal as a sport in its own right.
With regards to career progression – Who knows where playing futsal may lead our players? They have NEVER had the chance to play regularly in international rules standard competition. That’s what the F-League is about – it’s a completely new concept that hasn’t been seen here before.
But then again you probably don’t really know what that means either. Your idea of ‘elite’ futsal is the Futsal Oz V-LEAGUE… A completely different kettle of fish.
@ Bomba
Mate can you read?! It says above clearly it’s a men’s competition.
ossieostrich,
This isn’t about ‘the boys letting the girls in’ this is about creating a viable competition and that requires time and patience, among other things. Have you seen how the W-League worked out? They rushed in to that because they were trying to appease people rather than create a quality competition and now they have a 10 week season where you play some teams once and some twice and the whole thing survives on a shoe-string.
Let’s get the competition off the ground first before we start adding too many layers to the cake…
I don’t come from Sydney so I’ll admit I can’t speak for the quality you have there specfically in terms of players.
Do you though honestly believe that if you held an “elite” competition during the winter season that the range of players that you have to choose from would be equal to if you ran this competition during the Off season. If you honestly do then fair enough go ahead with it. In Melbourne I know this wouldn’t happen so maybe i’m comparing apples/oranges.
I hope you guys succeed and that one day you can have what you call “futsal specialists” I honestly just don’t see it happening at this stage.
Answer me this question apart from playing all season which to be honest I find not the greatest response why is this league not starting out in Summer. You mentioned the NSW summer league is the quality of that league as good/near what you wish your league to be at in terms of players. Or will FNSW not affiliate you if you did try to run this in Summer.
Maybe I don’t have the full picture but I personally don’t see any major hurdles in trying to start this competition in Summer or at the very least if one was to compare the benefits of running in summer/winter it would side very heavily with Summer.
I regard Futsal OZ as the best we have in melbourne I’m not advocating it being the top in Australia. I completely agree with you that Futsal OZ and your concept are different the only reason I even mention it is the best futsal players in Victoria participate in it. Persoanlly I believe there are only 5 teams in the competition that could truly be regarded as competitive teams. The quality in Sydney must be greater then melbourne going by national selection NSW makes up a huge percentage. Maybe the quantity is much larger then what I believe it is.
Don’t get me wrong I hope you succeed personally though I see your success being much quicker by starting out in Summer.
Btw i would never make derogatory comments or try to big note myself by putting others down especially behind a pseudonym on an Internet forum. I hope that when you guys actually start business properly thats not the manner that you deal with. You can already see how an unprofessional outfit works just read the posts above Vikings V FNSW the fact that an official representative even boths entertaining the rubbish that F Sala baits him with is rediculous.
“James” isn’t a pseudonym, it’s my name.
I apologies if I offended you – but as you say, you’re “comparing apples/oranges” and the situation is far different here in Sydney.
Also – I am not posting on behalf of the F-League, I’m simply posting my opinions. I agree that the way Vikings Officials conduct themselves on this website is very unprofessional.
I believe that there are enough potential ‘futsal specialists’ in Sydney for this league to be a successful concept.
The reason there aren’t any ‘fustal specialists’ is there isn’t any competition for them to play in. Even the NSW Premier League in the summer lacks, as it is not played under international conditions.
I’m sure the reason the F-League guys aren’t planning to run their competition in Summer is because that would mean direct competition with the NSW Premier League.
FNSW would not support them and the players would not come to the competition. Winter is therefore the obvious choice.
The choice to play in winter means futsal clubs have the option to compete all year round.
So yes, you’re right – The player base will be smaller, but these guys are proposing a 8 team competition. It’s not particularly large in the grand scheme of things.
Time will tell. In the meantime I would say to the F-League guys good luck and don’t pay any attention to the naysayers. It’s great to see someone finally looking forwards.
Well done f-league. people who prefer to play futsal have been crying out for a league like this. Hopefully the concept can be expanded on around the country.
Who cares if you lose a few “talented” outdoor players, these are normally the players who like to kick in the air and play long balls all day long, when they get on the futsal court. Quality will be right up there and the f league will be well supported
Congrats to F-League management. I think we can share about futsal event that certifed by FIFA and now i started already our youth futsal league in Malaysia.
So far we have about 32 teams whole Malaysia and we hope this events get some good result in the end.
To the F-league management how can i join your leageu ? Any term that i must follow?
@ James
‘Just because you wouldn’t give up playing football (obviously you’re not much of a futsal player anyway) doesn’t mean others will’
mate, your ignorance astounds me! I gave up outdoor for indoor last year, and I was one of the players selected to go and play in Iran in the NSW Thunder team, so dont go judging who is or who isnt a good futsal player..
Im not going to write an essay on here, but I completely agree with “D”. Let outdoor have winter, let futsal have summer. Advance the Summer Premier league, and turn it into the “Sydney F-League”. Let futsal players continue to keep up their futsal skills through the off-season (aka winter) via futsal training and a winter state league.. They can play BOTH indoor and outdoor
Playa,
Fair call mate – I made an assumption and I was wrong. I cop that. My apologies for upsetting you.
Although I am just surprised that a futsal player of your calibre is against the idea of playing at a high level all year round. It’s great to hear that you gave up football and I would have thought that means you’d be rearing to go for a winter futsal competition!
I have nothing against the advancement of the NSW Premier League – The issue is that the competition has continued to advanced at a snail’s pace.
Perhaps something like the f-league will help kick FNSW into action.
The Winter State league has been nothing but a kick around since its inception – Teams enter under names that aren’t even registered as clubs and don’t even have proper strips. It’s embarrassing.
I think that a better way for our futsal players to keep their skills up through winter is to keep playing high level futsal! Surely that is more beneficial than football?!
Good Luck to you all, one thing is for sure NSW is a mess………good luck! it is obvious now F is for failure and you are definately in a league of your own.
as the rest say drain the harbour you will be supprised what is left……..
I agree with you about the advancement of the NSW Premier League. Although it seems to be improving, it is a slow process. But give it time. This site is great as it gives people the chance to suggest things like we are suggesting..
I guess Im a bit biased towards the winter state league.. The main reason why I enjoy playing in it is it gives me the opportunity to play futsal all year round! Personally, I dont think its as bad as you’re suggesting, but thats just my opinion..
Futsal in Australia has enough disappointing issues at the moment (e.g. Vikings vs FFA). This has lead to 2 crappy national tournaments and an average Australian futsal team.
Do you really think its time to start battling football in this country too? Like I said before, players can play both codes- it is possible..
The Sydney F-League, played in Summer and as an advancement of the NSW Premier League would be awesome in my opinion..
@ F
Why dont u F*** off somewhere else? This isn’t a thread to bitch about FFA or Futsal NSW..
Playa,
Seeing as you’re in the Thunder squad it’s interesting hearing your opinion.
The problem with advancing the NSW PFL to becoming something like the F-League is that the clubs are against it. Some club officials don’t want to pay the extended court hire that would be required to run stop-clock matches and nor do they want to pay the extra referee fees for four officials. Currently the only reason we have third referees on senior PFL matches (Youth, Women and Men) is because the referees association is footing the bill. The benefit to the F-League is that it’s only going to attract those that are willing to pay those extra costs and it cuts out the politics of the Council of Clubs etc.
I completely agree, if we could run something like the F-League in summer that would be perfect.
It’s interesting that you mention the fact that we have an ‘average Australian team’. Don’t you think one of the main reasons for this is the lack of an international standard competition? 25 minute halves in PFL played mostly on basketball courts is not adequate preparation for international tournaments such as the AFC Champions League.
Now some good discussion at last with the insults and Vikings rubbish (aka F.Sala) aside…
@ Playa
“The main reason why I enjoy playing in it is it gives me the opportunity to play futsal all year round!”
Play in the F-League then? :)
I guess we’ll agree to disagree on the futsal in winter side of things :)
Having said that, I think I have an idea of who you are, and if you are how I think you are, I REALLY hope you do play in the F-League when it gets going!
I don’t think that F-League will result in ‘battling’ with football myself. If people wish to play football in winter, then they can. They can then come to futsal in summer.
As I said above though, it certainly won’t hurt futsal to have people honing their skills all year. We should try and promote futsal specialists if they exist.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding to see whether the F-League gets going and what the standard of player is like.
@ CB
I understand there are costs involved, but futsal is a top sport and I can only see it growing. If you advanced the Sydney F-League, making it the highest quality futsal competition in Australia, who knows where you could find yourself financially? Most people I know would pay $5 to watch.. maybe SBS (or another channel) would get behind it.. maybe some good business sponsorship down the years as the comp grows..? Im sure NSW Futsal and/or FFA would be interested in my idea about advancing the NSW Premier League- perhaps they would get behind it financially to kick things off?
We do have an average Australian team, but the reason I was implying was the fact that its really only a NSW & ACT team, and we miss out on Vic/QLD/WA players due to Vikings..
However, I agree- there is a MASSIVE difference between 25min halves and stop-clock. I’m all for the idea of stop-clock games, but there are options if the only reasons against the f-league in Summer are financial ones…
James’ “now for some good discussion….” followed by Playas’ “Miss out on Vic/Qld/WA due to VIKINGS”
a) you’re wrong
b) you can’t help yourselves can you ? lol
here we go again…
F.Sala, for once, post something that is relevant and constructive to this tread.
“Most people I know would pay $5 to watch”
Playa, that would be a good idea. i know a lot of people pay $5 to watch the premier and super leagues in football… but where would you like to see this money go? would it be a good idea to bring it in the first season though?
I would be the most constructive and supportive person on here, if I genuinely believed it would work and help grow futsal…..I have to be true to myself as I see inherent problems with the proposal in its current format…. O.K. Bag me but dont get upset when I say “I told you so!”
i wont say that i was ‘bagging’ you out, just asking you post more relevant and objective points.
“I would be the most constructive and supportive person on here”
“I see inherent problems with the proposal in its current format”
Then post what you believe are problems so they can be addressed. This would “help grow futsal”, would it not?
No it wont CC. I was involved in something similar many years ago…..If the organisers are experienced they may know what the stumbling blocks will be.
Running an “F” league is like “Band-Aiding” a 20cm gash on your leg. (Just for the doubters if it was a Vikings initiative I would still be saying the same things !)
I think this is a great idea & I truly hope it works. In the mid to late 80’s there was a Natonal League which was stop clock, full International Rules & the Aussie team did very well in the ‘88 World Cup. Even Ian (F Sala) was around then. This would definitely go some way to improving the players ability to last longer in International games. However some of those players do get paid quite well when playing football in the winter. If those players could be guaranteed the same amount of money to play Futsal then they could “possibly” switch. The players that only get paid a small amount could also “possibly” switch. For me the F League should be in Winter because the PL/SL are good competitive “Club” competitions that breed comaraderie within the clubs. Of course this would only serve to help the NSW players however but… Just as an aside, the last Aussie team comprised players from ACT, QLD & VIC as well as NSW as it was before Vikings went autonomous, if I remember correctly.
“No it wont CC. I was involved in something similar many years ago…..If the organisers are experienced they may know what the stumbling blocks will be.
Running an “F” league is like “Band-Aiding” a 20cm gash on your leg. (Just for the doubters if it was a Vikings initiative I would still be saying the same things !)”
F.Sala (lan?) AKA ‘MR “most constructive and supportive person on here”‘, thank you very much for posting that you don’t intent to help at all, because its fate, and you cant be bothered to point out to us ‘dummies/idiots/fools/ignorant’ people where these ‘flaws’ are.
why help futsal, especially when posting rhetoric, disproportionate analogies, and boosting/ popping egos is so much more fun. save it for a more pointless thread.
Gadget, was that a time when dinosaurs roamed the earth? :) the concept of paying players… isn’t that ssue up to the clubs?
Hi Gadget. The only way futsal players will get paid quite well is for the futsal community to support them. It is disappointing to see that one third who read this excellent website will not even pay $10.00 to watch a National League match.
Of course I dont intend to help them you fool ! Ive just told you its NOT the solution to Futsals ills in NSW. So why use my band aids ?
CCFUTSAL, Sorry should have clarified for dummies like you (1980’s & 1988). Therefore no is the answer to your question as Futsal was only invented in 1930 & dinosaurs were extinct by then. Clubs do not have the money to pay for players however if they get sponsors for the teams or players then maybe they could.
Gadget. Games attracting one or two hundred fans will not get decent sponsorship. Games attracting one or two thousand will.
Mark,
Exactly! That is my point about players could “possibly” switch.
“you fool” i am glad that i wasn’t disappointed.
I fail to see why personal attacks and remarks are needed on a public, internet forum, where (almost) everyone posts under an alias; you don’t really know the people you are talking to, hence, should treat them with common curtsies and a little bit of respect. Failing to do so does really show you and who you represent (vikings) in a good light. It is comments and needless insults like that that keep people from posting, break up the sport, turn everything into an US v THEM/FNSW v Vikings situation, and turn potentially great treads into mini battle grounds where barbs are exchanged; instead of great ideas to help the sport of futsal grow and expand.
“its NOT the solution to Futsals ills in NSW”
i don’t believe i have seen anyone that has been preaching that it is. This is an elite futsal competition that is being played in summer, in Sydney, using the FIFA Laws of the game. This is giving players a chose that wish to play quality futsal.
“So why use my band aids ?”
Your right! why should you help the sport grow? there would be no financial gain for you…
“Sorry should have clarified for dummies like you (1980’s & 1988). Therefore no is the answer to your question as Futsal was only invented in 1930 & dinosaurs were extinct by then.”
Gadget, thank you, my apologies on my poor sense of humor :) that was a light hearted comment.
“Clubs do not have the money to pay for players ”
hard work, good management, and sponsorship pays off in more than one way…
mseeto,
Theoretically I would agree with you about sponsorship and spectator numbers but most NSW Premier League football clubs only get slightly more than a couple of hundred (some get less some get more) to their games every week and they still manage to get decent sponsorship deals.
As I said earlier, Enfield Rovers have managed to russle up $50K and they certainly don’t get 1-2,000 people at their matches every week!!
CB. I watched an Enfield Rovers Men’s game last year. At best, the game at Enfield had about a hundred or so spectators, and a lot were other players. Sponsors do not get value for money with those numbers. Perhaps Boz can confirm what sort of sponsorship deal Enfield has, but I suspect current sponsors are futsal supporters, or are related to futsal supporters, who put their hands in their pockets, but do not expect a commercial return. A few years ago, I was involved in getting sponsors for Blacktown Demons for a touring team. I also tried to get sponsors for the NSW Thunder team to go to Iran this year. Sponsors are interested in positive exposure to their products. The questions were always “What numbers will see my product live, and will there be TV coverage?”.
CC as you grow up you will discover that you are classed a “fool” if you make foolish statements.
Two children debating foolish comments on here will NOT decide the fate of FNSW or Vikings.
I get fed up with all you supposedly “do gooders” who want to “GROW” the sport then proceed to carry on about an elite competition that will involve less than 1% of Futsallers.
Do you care about juniors ? probably not, Do you care about the sport in the country areas ? probably not, Do you care about FIFA being true to the sport ? probably not,have you done anything to get futsal included in the schools programme ? probably not ! Do you think that recent letter from FNSW is a bad move ? probably not !
No CC, you stick with your Elite competitions for the privileged few in Sydney, but dont wonder why I wont help them !!!!
In my opinion F.sala the best thing that could happen is that Vikings leave the elite tournamen to be run by FFA and each federation pick 1 team.
Really, rather than worrying about all the country kids and not so skilled kids I believe for Futsal to prosper we need to get the elite part going, than the money will come and the country kids can go back to having their country championhips and their state sides that go for experience.
“Do you care about juniors ? probably not, Do you care about the sport in the country areas ? probably not, Do you care about FIFA being true to the sport ? probably not,have you done anything to get futsal included in the schools programme ? probably not !”
HAHAH
As i said before, how would you know what someone is, and have done if people post under aliases?
i answer YES to those questions.
“Do you think that recent letter from FNSW is a bad move ?”
that would depend on your view of what a ‘bad move’ is.
“I get fed up with all you supposedly “do gooders” who want to “GROW” the sport then proceed to carry on about an elite competition”
why would you judge on JUST THIS TREAD?
back to the the SYDNEY F-LEAGUE, i know of a player that plays for the Quake mens team and plays futsal for nothing and plays SL football for about $200 pw. How much would clubs be willing/able to pay players. not all clubs have $50K the trow around.
Irrespective of who runs it, stop the clock games have to improve the competition.
As far as growing the sport goes,an elite competition will encourage the sport to grow as we may do better internationally and this may attract positive publicity. This WILL help the sport grow. Look what happened when Aust made the 2006 Football World Cup and received extended media coverage, football registrations dramatically increased.
gadget maybe you could assist us some more……….fsala ian ? do we have a last name. doesn’t start with B does it?
Mark,
I can understand your argument but there are other examples that speak to the contrary.
A local Premier League side in my area managed to get a $20K sponsorship and there’s certainly not even 100 people that watch their games regularly nor is there any TV coverage.
I play for a club at my university and we had an arrangement where a local bar sponsored us for a certain amount as long as we turned up there once a month (which was fine by us). I’m sure similar arrangements could be made by F-League clubs. You could, for example, find a local restaurant who would sponsor you and in return, you would have a perfect place for a post-match team meal. The restaurant covers the entrance fee, puts their logo on your strip somewhere and you’ve got a great place for a post-match debrief/wind down etc.
futsalfanatic tell me if it makes a significant difference to know who is behind the aliases and I’ll give you the secret number to my bat phone !
Most of the people on here that know me know what my alias is.Ive given enough information to lead blind Freddy to the “knowledge”. The others that dont know me wont know any different !
The people who criticise me and my opinions on here, do I know who they are ? Do I care ? Of course not. They are entitled to their opinions even if they are wrong .
Hi CB. I think Gadget and I are talking about a lot more money if players and staff were paid. Entrance fees and kits are only a small fraction of the cost of running a semi-professional team. We need to run a National League where sponsors can see value for money. I don’t think the $20k sponsor of a team where less than 100 people turn up was expecting a commercial return. As an unnamed official once said to me “they gave us the money because they were sorry for us”.
fsala on the defensive.
fsala cant help wanting to put a name to your educated coments….lol.
futsalfanatic, I love all of my fans but I love my enemies more !
@F.Sala
“I get fed up with all you supposedly “do gooders” who want to “GROW” the sport then proceed to carry on about an elite competition that will involve less than 1% of Futsallers.
Do you care about juniors ? probably not, Do you care about the sport in the country areas ? probably not, Do you care about FIFA being true to the sport ? probably not,have you done anything to get futsal included in the schools programme ? probably not ! Do you think that recent letter from FNSW is a bad move ? probably not !
No CC, you stick with your Elite competitions for the privileged few in Sydney, but dont wonder why I wont help them !!!!”
So which 12 year old grows up saying he wants to be like Johnny in the under 15’s?
perhaps its more like, the 12 year old grows up wanting to be like Wayne Rooney!
With sport get the pyramid and turn it upside down, look after the pinacle and the base will follow.
I am trying to get a F-League Club up and running and am looking for sponsorship, its a long haul and it is certainly worth it.
When I was in Cairo, Sporty I admired the pyramids on the Giza Plateau as many millions before me.
I can assure you, if you were able to turn them upside down (heaven forbid) they would disappear way into the Sahara.
They were built by great engineers with great planning and great skill.
Talking of Wayne Rooney (as you were) Was the EPL started first and foremost with the Championship, divs 1 & 2 , the Conference and regional divs (Blue Sq. etc etc) following ?
H E L L O ??????????????????
prior to 92 when the EPL was started they still focused on developing Champsionship! as opposed to working out how to pay millions of dollars to 12 year olds!
Carry on Sporty, I can see you dont need help !
Phone me in 2 years and we’ll discuss your successes !
“but dont wonder why I wont help them !!!!”
F.Sala, you have stated that your NOT going to be supportivem, or help, so why keep posting here?
that’s was a rhetorical question, you don need to answer; you can just go away.
I like CB’s thinking :)
Mark, that’s entirely my point, though: Not every sponsor expects a decent return on investment.
You’ll know several of the players that play outdoor at the club I’m speaking about as they play for Dural so perhaps they will be able to shed more light on the specifics of the deal but I assume it would be something similar to the deal I had with my university club, where the players agree to attend a certain number of times or perhaps agree to have their end of season function there or both.
Such arrangements won’t necessarily see a reasonable return for the sponsor but with the F-League, there will hopefully some decent exposure (seeing as all the matches will be played on the same day at the same venue) and combined with some sort of agreement between club and sponsor, a reasonable agreement is certainly possible.
You’re right, the cost involved is going to be more than just the $5K entrance fee. Clubs will need kits, they might consider paying their players (although this is optional and probably not as feasible at this early stage), they will need training equipment and a venue to train at etc. but given that Premier League sides in my local competition can secure $20K with no media exposure and small crowds, F-League clubs, who are in a very similar boat, should be able to manage similar things.
Once upon a time there were three…….
lol
Any sponsor for any of these futsal teams will not be doing it for commercial value.
In victoria anyway sponsorship for outdoor teams will often be parents of players, people/familys who have had been with the club for ages and more then often committee and the president putting their own money forward.
More often then not the senior team is not your revenue generating teams. Its the junior registrations which keep alot of the top clubs a float. Add to that things like canteens on game day, social events etc.
Expecting Sponsorship for anything other then helping out and generosity of sponsors is pushing it. Expecting teams to be able to enter INITIALLY any other way then forking their own hard earned out is also not feasible.
It brings it back to my orginial point an Independent company will not operate at a loss to attract teams and get the competition going. You would hope that an official body would be, still that is highly debatable with current administrations.
Hi D. That is my experience as well. If the futsal community wants a National League they will have to support it by going to the matches and paying admission. Say 500 spectators @ $10.00 average will help to make a team viable. In last week’s Spanish game, Barcelona FC futsal had 1,853 spectators @ 10 euros. The previous Barcelona home game had 4,475 spectators. So far in the poll above, we have 143 people willing to pay to see a game.
143 people willing to pay divided by the 7 (major) capital cities equates to 20 and a half paying spectators per game ?
No Ian it doesn’t. You’re assuming that F4All has an equal distribution of voters across the major cities, which I highly doubt.
You’re also assuming that the Futsal community consists of roughly 250 people which is clearly not the case either….
Unlike Ian, F.Sala assumes very little. Never assume people on here know what they’re talking about !
it is simple,give the spectators quality Futsal and they will gladly pay,Does anyone think that an outdoor Super league game is more enjoyable than Futsal?….i definetly do not think so…..people ,you have to stop being negative about absolutely every thing.All the people on this forum who know everything about futsal and want to help the game so much…..lets get all together face to face and see how we can make this game bigger and better.
i will start,i am cotactable on 0406616674.Regards zvi(vipers)
Zvi,
I agree – certainly here in NSW everyone is at each others throats too much rather than working together.
Why don’t you contact the f-league people – it seems they are trying to make the game bigger and better too
If nothing else The F League has got us all talking Futsal!!
Would love to see it work well but I am sceptical at this stage.
My greatest concern is that we won’t get 100+ futsal specialists that are willing to choose Futsal over Big Brother, leaving the competition even weaker than the current Winter Super League
Maybe if the comp was to be played on Sunday afternoon’s or nights it might allow some players to play in both forms of the game?
$40K is a little excessive Year 1 IMO for; hire of the venue, advertising boards, match balls, programs, photography, a website, pay for administration officials and referees and of course prize money.
Dependent on media coverage I would also assume that any elite competition would also demand / warrant a naming rights sponsor???
Freakymigs,
All State League football matches are played on a Saturday evening or Sunday afternoon so in fact, the scheduling of the F-League provides the best possible chance for people to still play football (barring any dual registration issues of course – please don’t derail the conversation with anything more about that).
Please enlighten me James…How are the “f-league” people making the game BIGGER and BETTER ? (I feel I must have missed something ?)
fsala always a pessimist, would have thought by trying to get the f-league going with the hope of it being a national league you could see that it becomes something the young children have to look forward too. isn’t you who says we have to look after the development. the conception of te f-league will hopefully provide a pathway for te young people in the sport in years to come. but then again when you look at that idea i suppose it is for the smaller and worser of the sport.lol.
futsalfanatic NEVER open a betting shop ! Ive heard of optimists but OMG !
Normally I would ask how this would ever become a National league , but in Wonderland Alice wanders ! lol
ian you are still as funny as years ago,no wonder you and bob made such a great team.
Futsalfanatic I am vying for the
“contributor of the year” award. I heard a rumour that this site has a ‘golden Dal Ponte futsal boot in the mouth trophy’ for the best contributor of fact, humour, variety (don’t just knock FNSW…do ‘em all ! ) wit, reality ackompanyed by gooder grammer and akurate speling.
Unfortunately there is no “Fantasy” category so nearly if not all of my competition has been eliminated !
fsala must be that grey curly hair of yours that does it.
F.Sala,
How does providing a competition with full international rules, prize money, media exposure and a more professional competition structure than the PFL/SFL not make the game bigger and better?
CB – I obviously have many years advantage over you ! Ive been there, done that as they say….now excite me please ?
Don’t worry CB, unless it comes in a Vikings cap, it won’t excite him.
Very rose glasses.
No doubt if the F-League was affiliated with Vikings he’d be backing it.
Quite simply I think anyone who is willing to see the game how it is played internationally is bigger and better.
Of couse F.Sala doesn’t believe in FIFA either… So why bother arguing with him.
Oh dear me James (trying to compete in the big league now are we ?) Firstly get your facts straight ! Read ( I presume you can ?) my post on NOV 11th @ 8.33pm
Oh Golly Gosh F.Sala states “if it was a VIKINGS initiative I would still be saying the same things !).
Running a match for 90 minutes instead of 40 is not bigger and better. If it attracts juniors to our sport it is B&B if it increases the numbers of registered futsallers it is B&B.If it creates chances for our girls/women to join the sport it is B&B…….. To offer prize money (yawn !) its not new or B&B ! If the f-league affiliates to FNSWF it may make them B&B ? But as I asked before, enlighten me ,HOW WILL it make our sport bigger and better in Australia ?
Glad you believe in FIFA, James, hows’ about Santa and the Easter Bunny ?
1. It will provide our top athletes with access to a competition where they can:
a) Compete on an international sized/surfaced pitch EVERY WEEK.
b) Compete under FULL INTERNATIONAL RULES. Stop-clock is obviously the major benefit but others include having four referees not two or three.
One of the MAJOR REASONS why the Futsalroos fail to be competitive at an international level is because NONE of our players have ANY exposure to stop-clock matches until they reach whatever tournament they are playing at. The F-League addresses that problem.
c) Compete in a more professional environment than the PFL/SFL.
The F-League will feature much more professional requirements in terms of strip colours, registration requirements, compliance with competition policy etc. This will enhance the image and therefore marketability of the game.
d) All of the above combine to improve the quality of futsal in the country, which in turn improves our ability to compete on the international stage. An increase in international success then results in increased media coverage of the game. Thus, increased awareness means increased support/participation etc. etc.
2. A more professional competition with better media and administration is more likely to attract spectator interest (perhaps those juniors you were taking about F.Sala???) as well as sponsorship etc. than the current PFL format.
3. Having an international standard competition will provide an incentive for our younger players to seriously consider becoming ‘futsal specialists’. Currently, I would argue that playing in the PFL for a few months in the football off-season in 50 minute matches on basketball courts is not as attractive as playing in an international standard competition on an international surface. Further, with the F-League, our current senior players are given the option of playing all year round, something they haven’t had before. This is something that gives a new incentive to our younger players.
How’s that for starters?
@CB
Your ambitions are commendable. If only the powers that be had the same standards. If the FFA are as committed to futsal like they claim to be maybe they should put their money where their mouth is. I’m sure Mr. Lowy and Mr. Buckley can set aside a meagre 50k to get this up and running. Hell even Vikings have showed that a futsal as a business model can result in profit.
Does anyone else find it sad that for the number of decades futsal has existed in Australia there isn’t even a national league?
CB
Are you suggesting players will be keen to play Elite Futsal on the same day (or even weekend) as there outdoor commitments??
Not too sure their “Employer” (most of these boys are getting paid to play) would welcome that…
I think you need to face facts that players will have to make a choice and whilst Futsal may be the choice of sport for the individual it simply cannot compete with the $$$ a player can generate from their outdoor commitments.
Like I said you might get 25 or even 40 odd players willing to forgo their outdoor seasons but to get 100+ ELITE players. (Which “F” needs) I just cannot see that happening.
I find that the F-Leauge have equated a stop clock game to automatically making our national team better. Explain to me if I’m wrong but are you saying that our only problem of our national team is that their fitness is below that of others.
“Hell even Vikings have showed that a futsal as a business model can result in profit.”
Isn’t that the truth …
@D, no but it would be a significant part of it.
@ Davo
“…Mr. Lowy and Mr. Buckley can set aside a meagre 50k to get this up and running…
FFA couldn’t give a flying #@$* about futsal. They must see the 5h1t on this forum and rub their hands together knowing that the people with any passion or care for our sport have no idea on how to deliver the sport. Time to let some pro’s guide the sport, unfortunately that exludes most on here. Open up your puny little minds, swallow any pride you have, and do what is BEST for the sport.
The F-league needs to be played on a Sunday.. purely for the fact that some players who play footy on a saturday could also play the game.. most importantly.. fans!! if it was held on sunday.. spectators would increase 10 fold.. i know i cant make saturdays but could make every sunday!