Friday November 6, 2009 9:41 pm
Vikings Nationals 2010 – Senior Draw released
Draws for the Youth Men & Women and Open Men & Women now available
The inaugural Vikings National Futsal Championships is set to take place in Sydney from Tuesday 12th to Friday 15th January 2010.
Vikings Futsal are happy to release the draw for the following categories:
Youth Women
Youth Men
Open Women
Open Men
TO VIEW THE DRAW CLICK HERE (XLS)
FOR MORE DETAILS PLEASE CLICK HERE
NOTE: PLEASE CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE NATIONAL FUTSAL CHAMPIONSHIPS PAGE FOR ANY CHANGES TO THE DRAW.
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It’s a shame that they are on the same weekend as FFA Nationals. I would have liked to watch.
Wow… what a spread of mens and womens sides
That’s if they all front !!!
A draw 2 months before the event!!! Lets see Vikings stay true to form… Put the draw out then chase the teams to actually turn up and play. We all know that Vikings are not organised enough to have all the team in the draw nominated, paid and committed to attending the event. The chase is on now to scramble to get what the draw has promised!!!
Good work vikings. Good to see an organized group running futsal in Australia.
Futsal Mum, we don’t announce state teams and then chase them,WE ARE ALL VIKINGS STATES AND WE ALL WORK AND PLAN TOGETHER, something that all you Football NSW (Futsal division)members will never understand. Go and ask your masters if they have any idea how many teams are going to your little nationals.
Let me guess,
NSW Thunder, NSW Lighting, ACT, and WAIT FOR IT, a few Victorian and Queensland Outdoor soccer teams.
What a joke LOL.
IS THERE A MASTERS TOURNAMENT IN CANBERRA?WHAT IS THE AGE GROUP?
Why do you Vikings people have a hang-up about playing outdoor? A fair few Vikings players are also outdoor players and it should be no problem !!!
Hey Simon are you saying some of our Vikings futsal players are dual registered ????? Let me send them a letter saying they cant wear Vikings underpants if they play outdoor…whatever next….you lot are a joke !
Poor Futsal Mom, enjoy Canberra my dear. All you have to remember is the team in blue is NSW…ok ? 2 blues equals NSW V NSW (especially important to remember whilst watching all the finals !)
Vikings is a lot more complicated…..different coloured shirts everywhere ……oooooooh so confusing from all over the country and NZ of course !!
Can someone add Northern Queensland youth men to the draw, they have been left out.
I was just wondering where the players for the NSW Metro and NSW City players are coming from?
I’m not qualified to give exact details justinterested but I believe those players originate from that rather large Island continent North West of New Zealand
(or is street addresses you were after ?)
I was actually wondering where the players would come from. Will they be players that do not make Thunder/Lightning? Will they be from pre existing Vikins comps? Will they be throw together teams?
Just interested, lets short cut all of this eh ? You tell me where you would really like them to be from and I’ll confirm it for you…hows that ?
F.Sala: “I’m not qualified”
…never stopped you in the past…lol
Hey futsalman you know I’m usually “over” qualified but hate to boast !
@F Sala There is no poor futsal mom about it. You joke about NSW V NSW at the FFA Nationals yet wasnt it the Vikings Nationals last year that saw (in most of the age groups) Northern QLD V Central QLD V Qld Metro V QLD City V TAS?? Did I miss a QLD Team? Im pretty sure thats the draw we played in.
Our age group could have saved money and time and played at home.
Just skimming through the draw..
Queensland
Queensland City
Queensland City Youth
Queensland Country
Queensland City 17’s
Northern Queensland
I wonder whose going to win?
Feel free to point them out if I missed any…
Its who’s not whose, no wonder the education dept are running numeracy and literacy tests !
Am I hear just to edercate youse ? Just glad I’m able to help !
to those who have a problem with the vikings nationals.. and part of the draw being “bias” to teams from qld, here are the total number of teams entered.
Queensland = 10 teams.
Nsw = 14 teams
Victoria = 4 teams
Western Australia = 3 teams
Tasmania = 4 teams
New Zealand = 3 teams
South Australia = 1 team
NSW takes up the majority of the spaces.. which i have no problem with.. but don’t sit there and bag the comp about being pro qld.
But i wonder if the FFA nationals will have as much diversity? Will they have new zealand, south australia, western australia, nsw, qld and tasmania?!
I doubt it!
Your missing the point jeebs I was talking about last years Vikings nationals which i did attend. This years nationals maybe a different story but as i can only comment on the nationals i went to last year. It was a fact that the age group we where involved in was 95% QLD. There is no disputing that.
well i have no idea what age group you were talking about. so all i can do is agree that group you were involved in was mainly qld.
the mens group did contain only the one qld team and two nsw teams…
however, u do have to understand that it was the first year vikings conducted such a tournament. so a bit of give and take is required here.. if you read the draw.. you will notice that there will be more diversity in this comp now.
more than what the FFA one will offer..
I understand what you are saying trust me. My comment was in recation to F Sala and his comment of NSW V NSW at the FFA Nationals what he needed to understand was that Vikings also have had tournaments of QLD V QLD. Both organisations are not perfect and knowing that you work for Vikings you will agree that Vikings isnt perfect yet. Maybe they are the answer maybe they are not the answer.
i do not work for vikings..
yes, neither organisation is perfect (thats well documented).
However, FFA nationals has been around for as long as i can remember.. and its been predominately nsw vs nsw vs act.
Vikings nationals has been around once and it was once qld vs qld in SOME age groups.
now its QLD vs NSW vs WA vs NZ vs SA vs VIC…
Big difference…
The difference is though, when the qld Vikings were coming to FFA nationals they were the bottom sides. Now they are the top sides in the Vikings nationals. I know in the younger age groups that the best players from Victoria, nsw, nnsw, act and south Australia are all going to be playing at the FFA nationals, because obviously their parents are smart enough to realize that playing for Vikings Australia is not representing your country, it is representing a private organisaion. The nationals are not about ensuring that as many teams as possible are in it, ultimately it should be like the outdoor nationals but in every age group where every federation sends 1 team, but until states catch up to NSW in all ages and VIctoria in the younger age groups they could send their fourth side and they would still be the winners (even with FFA and Vikings together)
qld are the bottom teams?!
please provide examples.. as i know that the qld mens(vikings) team that played were consistently in the top four, along with victoria (vikings).
I do also recall that qld played in the final against NSW a few years ago….
also, the nationals just gone for vikings, one NSW teams boasted most of the players from the FFA nationals team mens and youth team.. and they were also coached by Gilligan….
I don’t know where to get exact results but I’m sure in 2008 qld was not close to winning it. I know in the ages I was to do with qld were at the bottom and struggled to even make quarters. Even Victoria until the last couple of years in the younger age groups which is being run by ffv were no where near as strong. I congratulate Vikings on having so many different states in their tournament, I just don’t think it is that impressive as many teams are only their because anybody can enter as a rep side. Obviously qld mens and maybe wa mens are the exception as they would most probably be somewhat competitive at the FFA nationals.
if memory serves me correctly QLD made the final in the mens comp in 2006 and 2008 and the semi final in 2007. the women i think made the final in 2006 – 2008. so i think they would be very competitive in a combined nationals.
In 2008, QLD men only won 1 game out of 6 and they were knocked out in the quarters. ACT Cobras beat NSW Thunder in the final, Solomon Islands and Victoria were also in the semis. WA didn’t even make the quarters. In 2009 they did the Vikings nationals and played each other in the final.
QLD’s junior boys teams were woeful for the last 5 years or so that Vikings entered teams. Last year Football QLD entered teams for the first time and won the 13 Boys, the first time in years that QLD won a boys title.
Official results of the 2008 National Championship from Capital Football. Queensland won 1 out of 16 divisions.
“Media Release
Canberra: Friday, 11th January 2008
Best of the Best Crowned on Finals Day
After three full days of futsal and nearly a thousand games it was time to crown the 2008 national champions in sixteen divisions at the home of national sport, the AIS Arena.
It was the youngest to kick things off this morning with Victoria and NSW doing battle in the boys under 11’s final – a rematch from last year’s final. Victoria came into the match as defending championships but found it difficult against a hungry NSW out for revenge from 2007. NSW returning across the boarder with the title thanks to a (5-2?) victory.
In the girls 11’sfinal, it was a battle of NSW with the Thunder taking on the Lightening. A last minute goal in the second half from Lightening sent the match into extra time and subsequent after scores were locked at 3-3 at full time and extra time. The penalties were just as nail biting with the light blues eventually winning 3-2.
NSW made it four from four when the Thunder convincingly defeated Victoria (8-1) in the final of the Boys 12’s and the Lightening in the Girls 12’s. Two goals within a minute was the catalyst behind a 5-1 score line at half time with Victoria scoring in the last play before the break. In the second half, Victoria came out determined to make a match of it but some great goal keeping kept NSW in control. Three further goals in the second half sealing the back to back national titles for the Thunder.
Whist in the Girls 12’s final, another NSW derby went to extra time following a 4-all draw at the conclusion of full time. Thunder at one stage led 3-1, but three unanswered goals by the Lightening gave the girls in dark blue the lead until the Thunder equalised late in the match. The Lightening took a step closer to claiming the title after a break down in communication between defenders and keeper saw the ball evade everyone in the last minute of the first period of extra time. The 6-4 victory was seal with a goal in the final moments for the NSW Lightening.
After a furious start in the Boys 13’s final it settled down but not until it was 2-1 to Victoria after only a minute. At half time nothing could separate the two sides with both teams level at 3-all. It was looking likely to head to extra time until Victoria broke NSW’s strangle hold on the national championships. A last minute goal giving Victoria their first national title of the 2008 Championships.
It was a very similar fairy tale in the Girls 13’s match between NSW Thunder and Lightening with a last minute goal giving the Lightening the national championship and NSW their fifth title of the day. At half time it was 1-all in a very even contest. After the break it was the Lightening who took the lead but the Thunder replied. It wasn’t until the final minute that the Lightening score what turned out to be the winner to claim the 13 girls national title.
Queensland became the second team of the day to win a national title other than NSW when they defeated NSW 4-1. Signs looked ominous from the start when the Maroons took the lead in the first minute of play. NSW levelled the scores 1-all but it was all Queensland after that scoring a further three goals to ensure the Girls 14’s title headed north.
Meanwhile in the Boys 14’s, it was another battle between NSW Thunder and Lightening. The Thunder opened the scoring only for the Lightening to reply. The Thunder scoring on another three occasions before the half time break. The match came alive in the second half when the Lightening scraped one back to make it 4-2 but frustration crept into the game from there for the Lightening after conceding another. Thunder went on the win 7-2 against a depleted Lightening side after disciplinary issues.
It was again an all NSW affair in the Girls and Boys 15’s finals, with the Thunder winning the girls division 5-2 while the Lightening comprehensively defeated the Lightening 9-4 in a goal fest. Thunder took the lead after opening the scoring but the Lightening answered back with five unanswered goals at half time. The Thunder made it interesting for a while then they came back and nearly levelled the scores after scoring the first three in the second half to make it 5-4. The Lightening went on to score the final four goals to finish the match 9-4.
As was the theme of the day, it was an all blue final again in the boys and girls 16’s division. It was a thriller in the boys comp as the Lightening edged out the Thunder 6-5 after coming back from 4-1 down. In the girls final, the Thunder ran out 4-1 victors after conceding the first goal they never looked back scoring the next four.
Following the juniors, it was time for the men to strut their stuff with the ACT Cobras taking on the NSW Thunder. The Cobras opened the scoring from a set piece that found its way through a sea of legs and into the back of the net. NSW level the scores but then chose to sit back and let the ACT come in waves of attack which eventually resulted in a goal for the Cobras after a shot from distance wasn’t cleaned up by the keeper and finished into a gaping goal with only five minutes to go. While the ACT dominated possession in the second half, NSW threw everything they had towards the Cobras desperate to find an equalising goal including rolling the dice and sending the keeper up to act as an extra player. The win sealing the ACT’s first national title of the 2008 championships.
It was the women’s turn to shine and that they did by entertaining the good crowd by playing attacking and exciting futsal that could only be decided in penalties. NSW scored the opening goal and it wasn’t until later in the match the Queensland would eventually level the scores after a goal mouth scramble lead to a sending off for denying on obvious goal scoring opportunity, Queensland scoring on the ensuing penalty to even the score and send the match into extra time. Neither side found the back of the net during extra time so it was off to penalties to decide the winner. Little could separate the sides with scores level still after the first five shooters, it came down to sudden death penalties with NSW eventually winning.
The ACT claimed their second title of the day when they defeated the NSW Thunder 3-2 in the final of the Youth Men category. NSW had defeated the ACT convincingly during the pool stages but past results meant little in the decider. Great goal keeping from both teams kept their respective teams in with the chance but it was the ACT that came away with the spoils. While in the Youth Women, the ACT had the chance to make it three from three on the final day but fatigue saw even the simplest of skills seem increasingly difficult. It was a tough and bruising encounter but once the Thunder opened the scoring it was no looking back. A long throw from the NSW keeper was headed past a hapless ACT keeper to give NSW the lead. While life only got harder for the local side as the Thunder found the back of the net a further three times to finish as national champions with a 4-0 victory.
Ends
Contact for this Release:
Chris Gottaas – Public Relations Officer media@capitalfootball.com.au
Now I distinctly remember a scratch Qld team winning a game in the 1927 finals………… and you say I write a lot of rubbish ?
Vikings can probably come up with a good deal on mirrors if anyone wants to look at themselves ?
Futsal Mom , You missed part of my point. Most NSW teams originate out of Sydney. Thunder, Lightning, Sth, Nth ,Red, Blue etc etc (I used to coach them remember).
Oh I know players come from Wollongong and Newcastle (occasionally)….but its only FNSW who considers Newcastle part of Northern NSW ! Vikings does offer the opportunity for players from FNQ to Coolangatta !
The FFA nationals should have good quality futsal there’s no doubting that its the variety thats missing thats all.
F Sala. Variety missing!! we just finished the Vikings Australisian Schools Champion of Champions at the Gold Coast and let me tell you variety was missing from there too. It was an event filled weekend with no variety. 9 draws where handed out in the lead up to the event, 2 games the first day 1st at 9.00am and the 2nd at 4pm (a 6 hours gap)a dislocated hip, broken nose, a broken finger and get this a VIKINGS REFEREE!! (which i believe is your speciality) even told our team that you can score a goal from a sideline kick in as long as it hits the post because the post in NOW considered a person. All the above was in one game!! And your newly arrived Brasilian referee boy did he have some rules that bought the house down. Not to mention the event organiser sat with her feet up on the glass window all weekend and didnt move i beleive her head was stuck in her mobile phone txting. She too must have thought that something else was more entertaining, or was it that if she bothered to talk to the actual teams that made the effort to attend the event that she would have to listen to them complain. Im glad i wasnt in her position I think I would have thrown it in and gone home. Sorry forgot to mention 7 team pool 6 from QLD I thought we where at the Australisian Chapion of Champions not the SE QLD Champion of Champions. I think VIKINGS should clean their own backyard before attacking other events.
and some people whinge about NSW PL/SL referees ….
Where is the Vikings path for training, inspecting or coaching referees. If the referees don’t know and apply the appropriate the laws, how can the players understand whats going on??
As said, both have issues. NSW referees at PL/SL level are trained, inspected and coached on an ongoing basis to international standards. The top NSW referees are also required to pass the FIFA fitness test.
Just a query, seeing that Vikings talk about AMF (which i thought was a bowling outfit), what Laws of the Game do you guys play at tournaments you host in Australia? Also, do the refs have to wear white long pants?
Please let me summarise the comments thus far……
We`are better than you
No your not, we are better than you
No your not
Yes we are
Are not
Are too
Are so
etc etc etc
Are you all a bunch of childish and petty children or are my pants on fire?
This thread probably explains why Futsal has always been such a disorganised rabble.
Futsal is an exciting sport which has much to offer. Unfortunately it’s been poorly administered for a long time. I’m not sure that the Vikings “breakaway” is presenting any better alternative in that regard. All the players want to do is play the game. You can’t have a national championship if the majority of the nation doesn’t even know the event exists. It’s like an AFL or NRL World Cup….they aren’t world games so they don’t have the capacity to run anything but a token world cup in their sport.
I’m sure that there are good people on both sides of the fence here but I’m not sure that anyone is taking the game forward.
Stop squabbling like little school kids, sit down and work for the sport. We don’t need two camps to do that.
i agree ross! what a load of c**p everyone talks about…….. Vikings is getting bigger so of course this sort of thing happens……. i presonally think they do a good job!
@just wondering – i have a group of kids in tasmania in one age group that would beat any of your nsw or vic ffa sides and they are not affiliatted to vikings or ffa! who cares where they are from……. let them play!
agree with ross – thats a big call from a state with 1/14th the population of NSW and no elite Futsal league. Out of interest, what age group?
Football Victoria has submitted their biggest ever teams entry for the FFA Nationals to Capital Football. Time to give NSW and ACT a run for their money!
Curious to see wether quantity equals quality…
Its time to sort out the bickering and finger pointing or else lets just resign ourselves to being a Futsal backwater for at least the next 20 years.
Lets be totally honest here. Having two separate state championships dilutes BOTH of them. Our players are being denied the opportunity of playing the highest level possible as a result of this dilution. Can anyone think of another nation as stupid as us in this regard?
We need the state federations and we need Vikings. They are all too large to be ignored. So the question and hopefully the discussion can be redirected from the usual childish garbage to how we can get these people together to talk about making the game better for everyone as a joint force.
I’m not saying I have the answers to a very hard question. Here’s a stupid idea of compromise to get ball rolling…….
How about the federations support and assist Vikings national schools championships and not run a rival competition. In exchange, the Vikings drop its state championships (or perhaps moves them to mid year?) and supports a unified state championship in Canbera??????
I’m sure if we stop the bickering, others could offer much better than my suggestion – anyone?????
Not a bad suggestion to start.
Frank, what has happened to the FFA review?
Like it or not Vikings have resources and staffing needed to develop futsal in Australasia.
Why not use that resource instead of trying to pull it down?
I reckon FFA could have made a fortune from affiliation fees if they got Vikings on side! that money could have been plowed back into elite mens, womens, touring teams and everything else on our wish list for futsal.
All I is see everyone talking about is Premier League, supa dupa league, State teams , and so on…..when is the last time on this site did anyone post anything about just helping kids get into futsal, we are preoccupied and focusing on the smallest part of futsal in australia …elite players.
just my idea, let the ridicule begin
well put Henry lets get young kids into the game so we will have some future elite players.
Just curious to know Henry, if you are aware of the number of school clinics that FNSW Futsal do, their programme for Athletes with Disability and their involvement helping centres run their holiday programmes?
One huge diference between Vikings and FNSW: Vikings are GREAT at beating their own drum (and good luck to them)while FNSW need to brush up on their PR… but they both do a decent job and it is time they worked together for the good of this great sport!
@Simon – Its currently with the FFA Futsal Steering Committee.
Frank, the Steering Committee has had the futsal review since April. The future of futsal rests on the outcomes of this review. I am concerned that a 7 month delay could be detrimental especially with Vikings disaffiliated. Are there plans to release to the public?
Hi Curious,that is great in helping athletes with disabilities and holiday clinics, but I hope you will agree developing youngsters is more than just that…it is a year round job no matter who takes on the role.
Frank – If I had seen the review and if I was on the steering committee I wouldn’t want the general public reading it either, but having said that a lot of the public contributed to it and should have some feed back supplied to them out of courtesy.
Davo – I would say the steering committee has already made their minds up about Vikings involvement and that should not be a surprise.
@Davo,
This is what I know – the review is aimed at improving the capability of FFA and the Member Federations through an objective, independent examination of the key drivers affecting the delivery of Futsal, including matters such as business strategy, organisational structure and the FFA’s relationships with the various components of the sport and industry nationaly.
So as you can see it basicaly says that they are working at bringing the States into line under a common template. The timeline for this is sometime in the first quarter next year.
first quarter of next year, Brilliant just in time for the end of the Futsal season meaning football don’t really have to do anything…. again. I wonder what they will put out this time next year that will delay everything for the Football bodies to do…..
but on a positive note, thanks Frank for atleast giving us all a sneak peek
@ole what do you mean end of futsal season? I play it year round with the only break over the Xmas holidays.
Some specific competitions run for a few months only but Futsal as a sport is all year round my friend.
I couldnt care less who is doing what at the top level. As long as I can have a fun with my teammates at a local venue I’m happy.
@ Henry; “Hi Curious,that is great in helping athletes with disabilities and holiday clinics, but I hope you will agree developing youngsters is more than just that…it is a year round job no matter who takes on the role.”
You must not have read the bit about the school clinics…
It may be technically a year-round job, but you may just be aware that the majority of juniors go off to their Football clubs in winter… Let’s face it for the majority of players, elite or otherwise, Futsal is something to try and fit in if it does not interfere with the “real stuff”! If you try and run academies in winter you get accused of money-grabbing and if you don’t, you get accused of doing nothing for the sport…
What are clubs/centres doing to develop their own players? I don’t see the AFL going to the Swans, Crows, Carlton etc and doing clinics for them. They DO go to the schools and try and introduce the sport to as many kids as they can and they link them with a local club!
Whilst I agree that there needs to be some compromise, the fact remains that the FFA are the governing body for the sport. I am sure that all of the state federations would love the FFA to affiliate Vikings and not recognise their right as the FFA representative to run the sport. It is a business, an equivalent would be obtaining the Australian rights for a product only for an alternative provider to be granted the same rights. Unfortunately, not going to happen. The Vikings run their competitions in direct competion for a reason, to make people choose and hopefully gain further income for it is still a business.
@Swoozie: F.Sala is repsonsible for running referees courses for Vikings in Queensland so you aimed your question at the right person. Response was….?
As for staff having feet up and texting all wekend instead of actually managing the event, thats nothing new.
The rest of this thread is just the usual “my comp is bigger than your comp” argument. Who cares… Unless there is only 1 nationals run by the right people for the right reasons we will be having these same conversations forever. Names come and go (AMF, ISA, Vikings, QFA, FFO) but the division and the politics remain.
@interested , you my friend are at the centre of this whole argument. I would say 95% of people who play have the same interest…. just want to play, it is these crazy State Soccer bodies that want ownership of the game but not the responsibility… and you the joe punter are a big part of the responsibility. Plus they all toss off over each other about elite this elite that
my comments on the end of the futsal season were in context of Football body, can you see them dedicating real time to the game between march and September…….hmmm
of the cut, we literately have the same discussion/debate/argument/cat fight every year…
its kinda funny when you think about..
at the end of the day;
both organisations are f**ked..
people are trying to resolve it. which is wasn’t happening 2 years ago.
the sport will be unified, theres no doubt about it.
but it will just be a long drawn out process….
But on the positives, regardless of the governing body, the quality and strength of futsal across the Australia has nearly doubled in recent years.
the number of kids playing has increased.. so there is a big future for the sport….
we just gotta wait for the chest beaters to pull their finger out…
‘we literately have the same discussion/debate/argument/cat fight every year…’
More like every thread! We cant even talk about school kids enjoying the game! It seems it has to be, “these kids played at my comp! How good am I?” With the reply often being, “well, these kids played at my comp! So I must be better!”
‘at the end of the day;both organisations are f**ked..
people are trying to resolve it. which is wasn’t happening 2 years ago.the sport will be unified, theres no doubt about it.
but it will just be a long drawn out process….’
Agree completely. :)
lets face it guys this sport is going nowhere unless u pick 1 team like every other sport does.no one who is a high achiever is ever going to take this sport seriously,what it comes down to is if u r a kid picked for so called australia or new zealand teams is how much money are u willing to pay. there is no honour in being picked for any of these teams.unless futsal sorts itself out u are going to end up with second rate players that cant make it in outdoor football.My son has ben asked to play for nz futsal for 4 years now and we refuse because the offers keep coming every year and it becomes unaffordable eventually for some people.but hey there are 5 in a team and maybe there are 4 more added,so why is it that 50 or so different people make teams every year.Because they can afford it.Where is the honour,when can you say ,yes im one of the best.you cant.It is too easy to make these teams. There are far too many trips, how about we get organized properly in our own countries first,and pick the best and maybe they will continue with the sport.Its a shame I think its a great sport,but being killed by averageness.Is there any money to help the talented who cant afford it or are they just replaced by people who can?I hope this sparks of a good debate because futsal needs to come down to earth and get it right or it is doomed for failure
d stevens……
is that any different to any other sport??
Unfortunately the ones with money get opportunity.
I was a very talented tennis player growing up top 10 in nsw actually.. but my parents didnt have the money for me to go to all the top coaching sessions etc so i missed out on opportunity etc…
this problem is not only with futsal.. it is in all sports…
we are a nation whom loves sport and unfortunately we cant all have enough cash for it…
I think it sucks but it is how it is in every sport.. Its not about average outdoor players playing futsal.. cause outdoor is expensive too!!
im guessing nz is similar but the reality is elite sport is expensive and that wont ever change!!!
Sorry D but you seem a little misguided by your own comments….. it looks like you are calling Futsal a second rate sport “unless futsal sorts itself out u are going to end up with second rate players that cant make it in outdoor football”. Who cares if they can’t make it in outdoor football… poor old Falcao must feel like a chump he couldn’t make it in outdoor.
I don’t see indoor cricket coping the same attitude adn I’m sure that sport is full of players who in your words didn’t make it in cricket.
As for costs well, has been like that for as long as I can remember. As a kid I was selected into many rep sides for different sports and couldn’t go as my folks didn’t have the money, but it didn’t stop me from playing and as an adult I was able to represent my country… such is life.
As for agegroup representation I have long believed that these are development sides. I say this as they are used to teach the youth how to be in that environment, how to travel, prepare and of course play others. These are stepping stones to Snr representation.
Im with Ole…
I dont understand why you say, “There are far too many trips”. How many times in your life would you receive a letter that says, “congrats! we want to take you to Brazil to play futsal for 3 weeks”. So for a 17 year old or a 10 year old to get that, they would be over the moon.
How many other sports give young kids the opportunity to travel over seas to play the sport they love??
U say there is no honour in doing that? because its not an “super duper australian side”?
It may not be the elite of the elite, however its also called a vikings australian side. Which also means its a development side.
and when they are overseas, they are coached by different coaches, play different teams, exposed to different cultures and learn different styles of futsal..
I fail to see how that is bad?
this would be an experience of a lifetime. and even as an adult i would want to do it!
no child would not even be considered for an FFA australian side until he’s old enough to play men!
So why don’t you take what you can get now?
@jeebs. “How many times in your life would you receive a letter that says, “congrats! we want to take you to Brazil to play futsal for 3 weeks”.”. If you are on the Vikings mailing list, it would seem to be every year, as long as you can pay for it!
@ Henk. Futsal australia used to do the exact same thing, before the FFA took over.
@beaver and others
this site does unfortunately degenerate into an Us vs Them mentality.
I may be mistaken, though i was told that back in July/Aug FFA and Vikings discussed options about merging together. Vikings wanted to run Futsal as an independent organization on behalf of FFA(i think), but FFA don’t want the Vikings name to be used, and want control.
It’s really a bit of a stand off atm, until the one organization can no longer compete. Whilst i don’t think that’s the best way to handle it, i think it’s probably going to be inevitable. One organization will need the other, and will fold. Personally, i think in the meantime FFA should allow Vikings to be associated, and have teams invited to the FFA Nationals. If it increased the depth of the Nationals, it’s in no way a bad thing, and a second event during the year (the Vikings nationals) could take place as well, with teams from FFA OR Vikings being allowed to submit a team. Any foreseeable harm in doing this?
Certainly one issue with WA atm is the unjustifiably high cost of attending nationals and representing WA through Football West, as we can not submit our own WA team, and it’s not affordable for many of the players to represent Football West, we have no option but to attend Vikings(and it’s not a bad thing).
@Henk/d.stevens. Whats the problem with sending kids overseas to play futsal?!
Isn’t the most important thing about any sport is the grassroots level? Which this develops.
isn’t important to keep kids in futsal and stop them ignoring it completely when outdoor starts? which this does.
Yes, im aware that it cost alot of money… however, any overseas trip is expensive… But did honestly think it would be free? or at cost price?
if that were the case, how would they employ people to organise these trips for 100’s of kids every year..?
people argue on here that nothings done for futsal in Australia.. so people action it, and then they are condemned for it by the same people who winged that nothing is done…
off the record, im not pro vikings.. and nor am i pro FFA. However, i do applaud those who are WILLING to give kids the opportunity to go overseas and develop as a player.. and if they make a profit from it… good for them..
jeebs, if you are told you are picked to represent Vikings or even FNSW overseas because you have won a comp or whatever. Then in a lot of peoples minds, the trip except for maybe meals and spending money should be paid for.
It kind of takes the sparkle off it if you are told you have been chosen, but then you find out ‘OOPS, can’t go because you just don’t have the money.’
Kids get angry at parents who can’t afford for them to go, and when it is younger children the parents often have to accompany them.
You read on this site stories about kids having to try and raise money to REPRESENT these clubs.
that’s obviously the perception that causes so much angst.
Ive been around long enough to know that nothing is free in the sport.
But on the whole, basically if your not in the FFA Futsalroos team, you pay your own way..
If you have a large number of kids going away each year.. and its free for players.. where is this money going to come from?
@Henk/ yeswell.
You idiots! You’re quick to criticize vikings for trying to develop the sport. The FFA doesn’t even have an U16 or U19 national futsal team playing/ touring anywhere. So on your logic any tour to Brazil is bad for the sport. Yeah they’re expensive tours but at least the profits are reinvested back into futsal. I haven’t seen or heard Frank Lowy or Ben Buckley advocate anything for futsal I wonder why….
I have said it about FNSW nationals and will say it about Vikings.
How can it be deemed decent competition where some teams are beating others by anywhere from 10-0 to 22-0.
That is not competition.
Vikings comp the U16 girls from NSW beat one of the other teams 20-0. That is just disgusting and demoralising to the losing team. The same can be said for the games where some girls beat another team in Canberra 22-1.
I agree Moonbeam, that’s exactly what I said during the last FIFA world cup !
“that’s not competition” ! lol
Sometimes the top teams are that much better. See:
Rugby League World Cup
Rugby Union World Cup
Netball World Cup
Cricket World Cup
Basketball World Championships
AMF World Cup
FIFA Futsal World Cup
So I guess we should just can ALL competitions everywhere, world wide except the FIFA World Cup of Football Finals. Oh hold on, there was an 8-0 result a couple of editions ago … let’s can it too.
That’s why Australia moved to Asia – better competition. Even teams getting thumped 20-0 will learn something from it. You start off getting thumped, then you learn from it, improve and get better – usually from the teams doing the thumping.
If you want to play for JUST for fun stick to grass roots. If you want to see how you go against the best – play elite competition.
Moonbeam, So I guess the solomon islands should never go to a futsal world cup again, they lost by a record score to Russia (32-1) or something, as Australia have never won a game at a WC they probably should never go either….. maybe, just maybe the “Kids” at either tournament just loved having the chance to play. The kids don’t get demorilised hell they would gladly suit up again straight away it the poor old parents who worry the most…… JUST LET THEM PLAY
@moonbeam, if I am thinking of the same team that was beaten in Canberra 22-0 then I am a parent of the losing team & unlike all of the other teams in that age group who were there to win & win only I can honestly say that our girls went down there with the attitude of “If we get beaten by 20 or more who cares as long as we tried & we had fun doing it” I just wish that some of the other teams & certainly the coaches of those other teams took some of their attitude out of there & realise that it is only a sport & if your not having fun then you shouldn’t be there. We had parents from some of the other teams come up to us & say how good it was to watch a team who even though they were getting killed (score wise) they could still laugh & have fun.
I can honestly say that I know from watching the games our team played that the other players playing against them certainly didn’t go down there with the attitude of having fun when you see some of the tackles on players that should have been on a league field not on a futsal field & when you don’t have NSW Thunder or Lightning name on your side you are the ones disadvantaged by the referees who must be intimidated by those names as they very rarely blow their whistle against either of those teams then of course those teams are going to get through to the finals.
Well said CP and well done to the girls
I bet those girls will still be playing for years to come but I wonder how many of the “Top” sides will still be playing
do I detect a touch of sour grapes there CP?
@ Concerned Parent; I played for NSW at this years Nationals, and we had 4 x 10m penalties against us over the competition, and many other matches where we were on 5 fouls and managed to hold out. We certainly didnt’t have the refs on our side or afraid of blowing their whistles against us. Give the refs a break. They do a great job.
@ ronaldo no sour grapes here at least we could come home proud of the fact that our girls tried their best & had fun, more than I can say for a lot of the other teams…
@ Moonbeam, ronaldo & anyone else who wants to have a go at the fact that teams come to the Nationals & get beaten.
The team you are talking about getting beaten 22-1 not only did they try their best & have fun but also most of the team were eligible to play in the 13’s competition & all of them were eligible to play in the 15’s, we had 2 girls who were aged 15, 2 girls aged 14, 4 girls aged 13 & the goal keeper turned 13 on Thursday the last day of their competition. I don’t see NSW Thunder & Lightning, or any of the other teams expecting their teams to play above their age group, & like I have said before we are proud of the girls & their coach for the effort they put in & the fact that they all showed up all the other teams in the fact that they showed them all how to lose & still have fun & enjoy themselves.
@ ole, thank you & you are probably right our girls will be prepared to go on & try, try again.
How many of the other teams after being beaten by such a big score line could bounce back & take the court again & again knowing that it will probably happen again & be prepared to take a loss like that again?
I honestly can say that I don’t think there would be many teams at the Nationals that would be prepared to step up game after game with a big (huge) score line against them & still have fun, actually I don’t think there was another team down there that I can honestly say that I saw having fun regardless of whether they won or lost…
CP your team wasn’t the only team in that boat Thunder smashed us 21-1 and we didn’t win a game either and I CAN say within 10 mins of the final game all but one of our parents asked me “Where do we go from here for next year”. It was tough for alot of us and yes my boys held their heads high and played every game like the first and considering such a smashing from Thunder in the 11’s the boys they do see the broader futsal world and it has inspired them to go home and come back better. We also had a variety of ages 9yrs, 3 x 10yrs 4 x 11 yrs. I agree with the kids having fun but it is Nationals not club.
@ XchocolateX I agree with you we probably weren’t the only ones in that boat but you are saying that you had 4 x 11 year olds & played in the 11 boys so you at least played in the age group appropriate for the majority for your team, as I said before the oldest girls on our team was the 2 x 15 year olds & we were put in the 16 girls comp so were playing way out of our age group with there being 3 years between the majority of our players as there were 5 x 13 year olds including our keeper who turned 13 down there.
You are also saying that it is Nationals not club so if that is the case for our team what was your team doing there if they got beaten by a similar score & didn’t win a game?
I might be wrong but regardless of the scores isn’t it a learning curve for the kids & an experience that they will remember & take into other aspects of their life…
As far as I’m concerned it shows them that as long as they try their best it doesn’t matter if they win or lose as I have never met anyone that has succeeded in everything they have attempted in life….
Our team was there because the 11yr olds have previously been competing in the Vikings Nats and we wanted to see the standard and set a bench mark for 2011. I agree with what you are saying but my comment comes from that you can’t expect others to not take it seriously with a little less fun then your team. The experience is invaluable but when someone like NSW has years under their belt you can’t expect them to play it just for fun considering the development they have already gone through. Yes some of the thunder parents are a little to competitive especially when our boys held thunder to nil all in the first 10 mins but it is a competitve State that play that level week in week out. We (all the other states) will catch up and we can only develope by playing great teams like thunder and lightning. Again I agree with what you are saying but other developed states shouldnt have to play anything but their best until we catch up it seems we are on the same page. . I am curious to know which state your from.
I admire both of your teams for backing up after a flogging by the established “super” futsal states. It shows strength of character and as long as they haven’t been demoralised by the experience and go away determined to improve for next year then they have achieved.
The only thing I would question CP is why the girls weren’t entered in 15’s instead of 16’s if there was no one 16 in the team? That probably didn’t help them at all as 1 year can be a big difference let alone 3 in some cases.
Go away now, regroup, put in the hard yards and come back and give it a go next year. After all, if you both didn’t turn up there would be less teams involved therefore less competition for everyone else.
CP, I understand your girls went to the FFA Nationals to have fun and having watched them I know they did have fun. HOWEVER I also know that many of the girls in this age group are very very serious about their chosen sport and representing. They truley love it. They do not enjoy walkover games. There is no joy in it at all for them. Your right they did not have any fun in the games against your girls and saw it sadly only as a way to pick up goals in the end. Yes, those games were not fun for them but necessary due to the draw. There would be few smiles after scoring because it meant very little to them, even reaching scores like 22:1. However very challenging games where the score might end up a tight 1:0 are much more exciting for them. That is their fun and that is why they are at Nationals. It is this desire to win that makes elite athletes and if they choose to continue down that path they certainly have to have the drive that you seem to think is a negative. It was Nationals not a local weekend comp. I wonder if the Socceroos or Matildas lack this drive you feel is so terrible? Not very likely. I praise your girls for keeping their chins up but maybe the FFA Nationals was not the place for them this time around.
Oh and I need to add that the refereeing was superb!!!
We had calls against us that I didn’t always agree to 100% but the consistency and professionalism was next to none. Again though if your girls are not used to this level of play I can understand some of the fabulous futsal action seen in this age group seeming a little close to the edge for them but very rarely was it stepped over and if it was cards were used. The others were there to play serious futsal.
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@ just me we have no idea why the girls were entered in the 16’s & not the 15’s that’s a question we would all lke answered…
@ XchocolatesauceX we are also from NSW but not included in anything that involves the other NSW teams in anyway, at the opening ceremony the NSW teams were announced including Southern & Western after those teams entered & were almost seated they then announced the Northern NSW teams which at last check is still in NSW but not included with the others as we have the Northern in front of our names & are always disadvantaged (from what I have seen) by that name.
@ Inkle a few of our girls play in the “elite” outdoor teams so know what it is like to represent & play at that serious level. You say your girls don’t enjoy walkover games & demoralising other teams but to me & a lot of other parents from other teams it appeared different to us as even though there was a difference in the score of 15+ the other girls were still jumping, yelling, cheering & celebrating the additional goals, & the coach was still yelling at them for not getting enough goals & getting in there harder.
Regardless of whether you think the FFA Nationals was the place for them this time around or not, like I have said before the girls enjoyed every minute of their time down there regardless of the scores & like just me said if they didn’t go down there then it was less games for your team to play.
I would really like to know which team you are from.
Also Inkle I find it very demoralising to the girls when the parents of the other teams yell & scream & carry on like teenagers when their teams continues to score time & time again, at least you could have felt something for these kids & toned it down, but it just shows the mentallity of all of you & your “elite” teams when even the parents feel that the team should win at all costs & who cares what the score is & how the other team feels, I guarentee if the boot was on the other foot you would be having a bigger whinging session about it than what this will ever be as we are proud of what our girls achieved, how they acted in the face of defeat time & time again, & how they left the Nationals proud that they came & gave it all they had. More than I can say for some of the other teams, coaches & parents when we witnessed girls coming away from games crying as it looked like they hadn’t scored enough goals to make it to the finals…
Northen NSW isn’t disadvantaged by the name Northern NSW we have our own state body for football and don’t fall under NSW football in Ny way. We r disadvantaged because we are a young state in the futsal world and are just starting out. That will change with more futsal peole coming on board and more futsal resources at our disposal things will get better it just takes time. Your right that your girls should have been in the 15’s but they where so we need to now make sure that a repeat of your experience doesn’t happen again. (the huge losses)
@ Joe this isn’t the first time. At the DalPonte cup last year I witnessed a very well known Vikings coach assult an 11 year old by grabbing him on both shoulders and pushing him into a brick wall. The police where called and the coach was asked to leave the stadium but on my arrival at another stadium only hours later the same coach was coaching yet another team of kids. Vikings did nothing about it except brush it under the carpet. So again nothing new.
Unless a player is deemed to be good enough to play up above their true age, they should be playing whichever age group they are supposed to be in.
We see girls play up in outdoor, and it is usually these girls who get the most injuries.
1. from playing two sometimes three games every week
2. from coming up against girls that are bigger physically and stronger.
On point 2. There was one girl in the QLD U15 team that was a lot bigger than any girl I have seen play in the U16’s outdoor or futsal in NSW.
@ XchocolatesauceX maybe Northern need to have a look at what the other teams are doing & actually do something to help the Northern teams down there.
Having selections in November & only having 3-4 training sessions under their belts as teams is never going to amount to the teams having a fair go down at Nationals, I think a lot of other Northern parents will agree with me in the fact that until Northern pull their heads out of the sand the Northern teams will always struggle to have competitive teams at the Nationals, how do you compete fairly with teams that play together all year round when you have such little preparation time?
I have also witnessed the officials from Northern blaming the coaches for the poor results from the teams down there, it all comes down to preparation time they have & if Northern don’t give the coaches teams & a reasonable amount of time to train them, then how can they then be held accountable for the results.
As far as all the parents of the Northern teams I have spoken to are concerned the coaches did a fantastic job with the teams in the limited preparation time they had & I take my hat off to all of them.
CP I agree completely with you. Things will change and they are already looking up for Northern. I met with Northern during the week of the Nationals and there have been some positive moves forward put in place. The coming years will be an exiting time for Northern but the plans put in place will need to be received well by parents and coaches. We will all need to work together and communicate because if we dont then you can expect the same next year. NNSW Country will not be in the same boat again I can guarentee that.
We will all have to wait & see what happens but I’m not going to hold my breath as I have been told that it has been the same every other year that Norhern has sent teams down & they have been told the same thing that it will be different next year, as we can all see nothing has changed…
I understand the frustration and yes wait and see. It was my first year with Northern but like I said Northern Country wont be the same again. I have put my plans to Northern and they where well received.
What area does Northern Country cover?
Tweed Heads to Coffs Harbour
ok not us, we are further down so definately won’t be holding my breath as I doubt anything will change down here…
I hope the effects from Country will also benefit you guys as well. You or any of the other parents from your area can email me anytime if I can help you in anyway. admin@futsalfnc.com.au Good luck.
Thanks, I hope you’re right.
I am from NNSW and have been involved in Futsal at both a local and national level for 10 years. My kids are representative players for both futsal and football. We have stuck with futsal through thick and thin, through the 2 previous associations, the take over by FFA and now through the dispute with Vikings.
Please get it out of your heads that the NSW and Vic sides train and play together for 12 months of the year.
They do not; I know from personal experience. They mostly play football in season and futsal in the off season.
What NSW have over NNSW and other states is an organised “Premier and Super League” competition where players are given hard, national championship quality games on a weekly basis. Most of the clubs also have a coaching session during the week.
This competition runs for 14 rounds from the end of September with semi’s and finals over a couple of weekends. Most games are on a Saturday afternoon. 14 weeks is certainly not 12 months in my book.
They picked their teams for Nationals in the middle of November and started training on 30/11 with a 2 week break over Xmas/New Year. 6x 2 hour sessions for most teams and a couple of trial games. Their secret formula for success is the Premier/Super League weekly competition, not the amount of training sessions before Nationals.
I agree that NNSW needs to put more resources,coach education and training time at coaches disposal but players also need to take the sport seriously (and it is a different sport to football) and instead of playing muck around stuff during the week, push to get our own “serious ” competitive competition up and running. Playing hard, fast and competitive games every week is the way forward, coupled with adequate training sessions before the Nationals.
If NNSW only provides X amount of sessions in the cost there is nothing to stop coaches organising extra sessions as long as the parents are willing to pay for the court time.
I do this every year starting off with 2 sessions a week and working up to 3 for the month before the Nationals.
XchocolatesauceX I admire your verve and enthuisiasm- you are obviously very new to futsal and NNSW futsal in particular.
Please do not assume that no one else has tried to get futsal moving in NNSW as I know that I have put god knows how much of my own cash, as well as blood, sweat and tears in to keep it from going under over the years. I have coached numerous kids, wiped away buckets of tears from both parents and players, copped abuse from parents and spectators and yet I keep backing up for more. Why?
Because one day I dream of NNSW kids actually winning a Grand Final! And my family loves the game.I also know futsal helps their football.
I am not looking for a brass band and a banner telling me what a marvel I am.
But please, give some credit to the pioneers of Futsal in NNSW- we haven’t all been sitting on our hands and doing nothing, as is implied!!
I certainly didn’t imply that no one has been doing anything in Northern so please don’t put words in my mouth. As for your assumption that I’m new to Futsal and Northern please don’t assume because you know what it does when you do. I have been actively involved in futsal for just under 10 years in northern. I didn’t realise anyone was activley developing northern especially tweed fo coffs where I stayed we where from. Please tell me what you have done for us here in the past. You talk about kids not taking futsal seriously in northern again you must not spend anytime up north. I wasn’t saying that there wasn’t anyone doing anything in northern just stating that NNSW country won’t be in this boat next year.
I don’t profess to have done anything for the Far North of NNSW, although I have had input into as far up as Taree and have coached a number of kids from that area over the years.
Good on you if you are trying to get some positive things going up that way.I am only too happy to assist you in any way possible with coach education, coaching clinics etc if that will help. If we have both been around for 10 years I can’t work out why we haven’t crossed paths somewhere. Or maybe we have;who knows?
NNSW is a vast area to cover and we need to get competitions going in different areas as we can’t expect everyone to come to Newcastle for everything.
I believe I spoke to some of the parents from your 11 Boys team @ MPowerdome and gave a bit of advice to them, for what it is worth.
I just get sick of everyone blaming our poor performances on the number of training sessions NNSW factors into the player costs for the nationals.
Everyone in NNSW whether they be north, south or in between needs to put in some hard yards off their own batt before and after the nationals instead of waiting for NNSW to organise it for them.
All the best for whatever plan you have put to NNSW;I hope it is successful for you and the players in the north.
We currently have an amazing Braslian coach that is taking care of our coaching education and heading up our player scholarship programs for open Men and junior boys and girls so our coaching education is in hand andthe referee education will develope over time with the courses and QLD over the boarder. new certainly wasn’t complaining about the lead up to Nats as CP just simply trying to tell CP that in order for things to change we need to do something about it ourselves. I agree that we shouldnt expect Northern to do everything for us after all we are the futsal people in the community talking to players and parents day in day out. The hard yards are done in our area by our resources all year round when many are off at football so for you to suggest that we need to do the work instead of complaining is a bit rich.
CP, this was not the attitude of our girls!!!!
They were instructed right from the start of the game against your girls not to humiliate them and it is not in their nature to enjoy doing this anyway. However when other teams score large numbers of goals they have no choice but to attempt the same to stay in the running. We did not set the yard stick. Many a final has been missed out on due to a few goals. But no way did our girls ever attempt to humiliate because we would have been very upset with them. But I will reiterate that they cannot be put down for being competitive and wanting to win and if you were so against competitiveness, why send your child to a competition? I agree that your girls should not have been forced to play up and I would be asking for an explanation on this.
As for less games, 6 games and a final is more than enough when the level is high. Some players prefer a certain level of games over quantity of games. I am sorry you feel the way you do but as you said your girls had fun. All of our girls had fun too but not at anyones expense.
XchocolatesauceX
Far be it for me to suggest that you aren’t doing anything in the North. You have educated me soundly and seem like you have all the answers.
I look forward to seeing the progress you make, via your amazing Brazilian Coach, and expect to see a massive improvement at next years Nationals.
Just keep in mind that even the most amazing coach can still learn from others. It is also good for the kids to have some exposure to other methods.
Anyway, the futsal ball is in your court and I wish you well on your quest for excellence.
@ justme. I don’t have all the answers but I do have passion. I would say thankyou for your advise if it wasn’t so patronising. We only had one team at national this with 4 of our players competing so improvement might be hard to see. This year has give us a good bench mark to aim for.
As I said, go for it, but don’t have the attitude that you knock back help from others.
You don’t have to be brazilian to know about futsal, and you know I may be wrong, but I don’t think there was 1 brazilian coach at the Nationals that did any good. One of the guys from NZ had Brasil gear on, but he admitted that we all need to take whatever help we can get! Same goes with me; i am always open to advice, opinions and certainly never knock back help!
I really do (and not patronisingly) wish you continued improvement with your team. I admire them being able to keep going after a massive loss like that to NSW Thunder. I never like to see any kids, and especially not NNSW kids, get a thrashing at the Nationals.
You may be interested to know that the NSW Thunder coach for 11 Boys is a product of the NNSW system. His name is Ryan and Peter Haynes from NNSW would be able to put you in touch with him if you ever need any help further down the track.
All the best in the north of NNSW and keep up the passion!
@ XchocolatesauceX
opens men team? help from brazilian coach?
was that this years, northern mens team? or a next years? or another team?
im lost…
@? Not this years team but laid plans for 2010/11 and next years Nats for NNSW Country.
@ just me. I never knocked back help from anyone and never will I’m not stupid. I have contact details for Ryan and will be eager to draw from his knowledge. As for anything else I will just say ok.
Coaches don’t win games… If you have kids that don’t have skills, you can bring the best coach in the world and they team will lose to a team without coach and good players…
23rd/January/2010, Indoor Carrara Stadium from 9am ’till late, come and watch opens men comp, …
But have a look at one player from Gold Coast, that will be joining them next year. The best futsal player in Australia.
Vikings used to be the FFA QLD Futsal …
Opens men Vikings nationals is very weak. Qld side won. All I have to say.
Vikings Nationals Open Men is weak comp.
If you live in QLD and want to play FFA nationals, you have to spend AU$1.500
Futsal in NNSW is growing rapidly, however the Premier league not running this year did slow things down. However there are some very good players in the area. More input from the Federation would help, but they have their own agendas.
i was surprised to see 3 referees from NNSW, and from all reports they all got Finals.
Now if only some of our teams could get there on the last day…
I went to Spain in 2006 to play a competition representing Australia, we got beaten 18×0. Australian boys that never played an international match, or faced professional opponents. Next game we played against Belgium, 10×1…You guys have no idea how the boys celebrated that goal. Russian and belgian players/staff, after the game came to talk to us, they said we were a team that never gave up, and we didn’t become violents just because we were losing, but we kept tyring to score one goal…Ask anyone of the australian boys, if they would go to a trip like that again.
Is it just me or does it seem all quiet on the Vikings Nationals front …
Would be good to get feed back on the player, referee and venue quality and also some results wouldn’t go astray.
Just look at the Vikings website, that should give you an indication as to how professional / organised they are. The teams competing, especially in the junior grades, are nothing short of an embarassment. Vikings should stick to what they do best, running local social comps at schools and gyms. Leave the important end of Futsal to the FFA and the various state federations. The sooner Vikings stop trying to outwit the FFA the better for everyone and more importantly the future of the sport in this country.
Alastair announced on the Vikings Facebook page that their Nationals were a success and he looks forward to seeing everyone at the same week next year.
Curious, what part was nothing short of embarrassing?
Funny, facebook was a success. What about vikings website not announcing the winners of what should be their most important event of the year…
If you wanna know, download a excel spreadsheet.
why dont we ask for people to say what they thought of the championships…
I spent some time at windsor and have to say was some good futsal…
especially in womens competition. strongest comp i remember for a long time. great to see 2 nsw teams go battle in final. the rolls royce team vs the underdogs and the underdogs should have won. was a good spectacle and something to be proud of.
some exceptional futsal though
both qld city n metro talent.
nsw city looked the goods when they needed too.
and nsw metro what a performance. wat hard yakka they showed and should have taken the title.
but they didnt and the girls that won have worked hard and dedicated themselves to a lot for that win. congratulations to them the effort got them home.
the tournie was well run well structured and a great experience for all!
the womens category was strengthen with players jumping ship from ffa to vikings in the hopes of being selected for the Australian womens ‘futsal’ team.
The mens category is okay, but without Luke H, Danny N, Keenan D and Fernando the competition would lack any class and flair whatsoever.
And back in the days of vikings being involved in the proper national championships, aside from the QLD City team, the rest were horrible in each age group.
Alastair is an amazing entrepreneur, but having some of those players at a ‘national titles’ is an embarrassment to the sport, (just not his pocket).
Glenn Q
Ali’s pocket? Don’t you mean Vikings?
You really don’t know him well at all do you? I am sure there was no child there that was ‘embarassing’ as you put it. As I said previously in another post, sometimes teams are not quite up to that level but embarassing is just harsh and downright nasty.
@ just me & XchocolatesauceX at what point did I say it was all up to Northern to do things, all I stated was that the late selection time (November) & not starting training until December certainly doesn’t help the kids/coaches preparation time. We did additional training that the parents paid for but like I said leaving selections until the last minute DOESN’T HELP in anyway. The fact that there isn’t any competition other than the club stuff where U/14 teams play against kids who are U/11 in the same competition doesn’t help either.
All that we (parents/kids & probably coaches) ask is that someone does something with futsal in the NNSW area so that the kids can go to the Nationals with at least some hope of doing ok & not getting killed (score wise) everytime they walk out onto the court.
In the game that we played against Southern & got beaten 12-4 you have never seen girls so proud of the fact that they came back from being defeated 16-0 in the first game against Southern & to have scored 4 goals was just priceless, the fact that they never gave up trying but were having fun doing it is worth more than anything else in the world to them & we are so proud of them.
So can someone PLEASE do something for futsal in NNSW well before the next Nationals, I would if I knew where to start but don’t have connections in the right places or finances that allow me to do anything on my own but am prepared to help whoever it is that can…
CP. You have my email and I’m more then happy to help where I can. It appears justme is in your area and is working hard on futsal so because just me closer that might be a good contact for you. If you can send me some details for you I’m happy to help if there is something I can do from here
Thanks again XchocolatesauceX.
“justme” had quite a bit to say earlier on so will be interesting to see if he/she is prepared to put their money where their mouth is & do something, if nothing starts to happen down here in the next month or so I might just have to take you up on your offer of some long distance help. I know the girls coach is more that happy/ready to get something going & hopefully we will be able to keep the team together if there isn’t much time go by before something happens & we’ll be back next year with more preparation (which we will be doing off our own backs at least to start with) & at least show some of the other teams that we are worthy of being down at Nationals…
Concerned Parent.. yes, I have had plenty to say previously and as I have already said my family and I have been working as hard as we can for futsal for a long, long time in Newcastle.
I know your coach very well and actively assisted your team in Canberra on a few occassions last week. One of my first questions to Kearen was why you were entered in the 16’s when there was no one 16 in the team? Apparently that was a decision by NNSW and probably they would be best to answer that one.
I also offered constructive advise at the Tournament to the girls on an individual basis and some tips on defending which Kearen told me helped them quite a bit.
I would have liked to help your team more but I was also coaching a team in another age group and keeping an eye on the 14 Boys coach as it was his first year at the Nationals, as well as the majority of his squad.
I had previously offered to help out at your training sessions as 3 of the girls in your team play football for me and I got them into futsal and I didn’t want the team to go down to Canberra and get flogged. As it worked out I only got to one session before Canberra but Kearen did a great job on limited preparation.He is a great young man; not many can be bothered coaching girls!
You may have worked out who I am by now; please be assured that my family and I are only to happy to assist the girls with any training that you or Kearen propose in the future. Kearen has all of our numbers as do half your team.
Please canvas NNSW in writing with your concerns and press them to put more effort in getting a proper, structured competition, run along the lines of the super/premier league futsal in Sydney.
This is the only real way that we will ever become competitive in Futsal in NNSW.
I, more than anyone, hate to see any NNSW team go down to Canberra and be flogged and if you ask around I think most people involved in football or futsal in Newcastle will tell you that I am always pushing for Futsal to be accepted by the different districts e.g. Macquarie, Newcastle and Hunter Valley and encouraging them to have their rep players involved in the “off” season.
Believe it or not, we have made some progress in the last couple of years; unfortunately it is very slow progress but I still keep turning up year after year and pushing my way along and gradually it is getting there. A long way to go, I know, but keep the faith as I have done for the last 10 years and I believe it will improve steadily.
NNSW won’t listen unless you put your proposals in writing to Peter Haynes or David Smith.Get everyone from your team to write a report, with both the good and the bad bits, and what you think would improve our future teams.
As for me, I was here in Futsal before anyone in NNSW and I intend to keep working away in the background long after they have gone. I am only too pleased to assist your team, as long as your coach agrees; just say the word!!
Also, the offer of help from our friend from the Far North of NNSW, should be useful as well. The more we can all help each other the better.
Most importantly,don’t give up on improving and making a difference to futsal in NNSW. As they said in an adv once “it won’t happen overnight, but it will happen”.
@ justme yes I agree with you that Kearen is a great person & he is always happy to do anything for the girls to help them & the girls love him as a coach as he is happy to get in & have a fun time with them as well as be serious when it is called for, the girls have all said that they will be back next year as long as he is the coach. As a parent I couldn’t have asked for a better coach for the girls. I just hope that the “will happen” comment doesn’t take another year or more to happen as the longer it takes the greater risk there is of people losing interest & walking away from Futsal at this level, & that is something I hope doesn’t happen but how long do NNSW expect kids to keep up their spirit of the game & their hope when they go down there & get flogged, & how long do they expect parents to keep paying out all the money that it costs for a trip like this for their kids to not even have a fair chance???
also in regards to putting things in writing to Peter & David, there has been numerous attempts by myself & others to contact David Smith regarding other issues outside of Futsal (outdoor) & we are as yet to get a response from him & he was contacted via email, phone as well as mail over six months ago so as far as I’m concerned I would be wasting my time & effort to even bother.
I have some good news for you regarding NNSW Futsal teams. All coaches have been given the opportunity to run a Futsal Academy which will run over 6 weeks, 1 session weekly. Cost $75.00 per player which covers all training and a squad shirt. This will give the girls a chance to learn some of the finer points of Futsal and I’m sure Kearen will be interested in taking your team. There will also be input from other coaches if he wishes. If your girls know of some others that would like to learn more, with the possibility of attending the Nationals 2011, please let them know as they need to register with Kearen by February.
Squads are limited to 15 including 2 goalkeepers.
I hope this is a small step in the right direction, and now we all need to get the message out to make sure we get the numbers for it to become a success.
I know what you are all talking about in NNSW. Some of my team did not meet until the Tuesday before going to Canberra. NNSW does have to bite the bullet & let futsal people run the sport in NNSW but under their banner. justme – XcholatesauceX & myfamily had a meeting in Canberra to try & come up with some ideas to improve futsal in NNSW, but in saying that NNSW also have to realise that futsal is a means to advance both in/out door football in this state. From this comment most should know how to contact me.
Firstly can i say it is excellent to see so much discussion about futsal from those in NNSW, i gather most of you are central to newcastle, which is the hub of NNSW Football and Futsal.
I’d like to say in the 5 years i have been involved with futsal that there has been great developments, however this would be a lie. While there has been growth in the number of players and centres that run futsal, the federation has had nothing to do with the running or organization of futsal.
I have seen David Smith at a centre once in the past 5 years, i am unaware as to whether or not futsal falls under his responsibilities as Football Manager, but i have been told Peter Haynes is the man that controls futsal in NNSW. Yet i dont know how much he has to do with it apart from natioanls.
NB: Not having a stab at David or Peter as i will explain below.
From what i have heard and seen there doesnt seem to be much, if any, funding from the federation, despite their obligation to under the Crawford Report (correct me if im wrong).
With more and more teams heading to nationals from NNSW, surely we could investigate some trials with Premier league or Super leage Teams form Sydney to give the kids an idea of what sort of quality they will be up against.
not only that but there were some basic errors made, where the alternate strip was yellow, and the goalkeepers had a yellow shirt, its common sense to have a shirt different from the rest of the teams. the goalkeeper having to wear a bib immediately shows how unprofessional NNSW is as a body running Futsal.
To improve we have to start from the bottom, get the federation involved to standardize everything, because we have the talent, but the organisation is lacking.
As i mentioned David and Peter have other roles, and if the Fed is serious about improving Futsal they should make it someones job, its not just something that can be run along with schools coaching and coach training. It is its own task, and should be given the respect it deserves, thus given a position in the Federation. Both these gentleman work very hard managing their roles for outdoor, which takes them all around the HUnter midweek and indeed across the state, i think it is too much to ask them to run futsal too.
Now thats all i have to rant about, but i feel that all the teams that went to canberra will be better off for the experience, and it is something they can bring back to NNSW to help spread the sport, because there is big things ahead for NNSW futsal if it can be harnessed. I see no reason why in future years we cannot compete with State league teams form NSW if we put our mind to it.
Hi keeper01. Why don’t you apply to enter a club into the NSW comp? South Coast and ACT have teams in the Super League.
keeper01 “it is its own task, and should be given the respect it deserves….”
Oh come on now, you’re beginning to sound like a Viking ! lol
“Hi keeper01. Why don’t you apply to enter a club into the NSW comp? South Coast and ACT have teams in the Super League.”
mseeto forgot to include that you will have to seek approval from NNSW football, their match committee, the person who marks the fields, the person who enters results, the person who picks up the rubbish also you will need to meet Fifa requirement 226-345.65 plus apply to FFA to ensure that the mailboy understands what you are doing then FNSW will review all the possible reason you can’t apply to have a team, your players will need to seek permission from Japan to play, but as you have a 16yo he must have is parents in the country, Asia will want to know why NNSW is so far from Sydney and to play you need to move closer, the sit down committe will decide on the next meeting date and put it on the agenda to discuss after they aorganise the next meeting date after that only to be told they don’t decide who is in and who is out………..
mseeto, am not having a go at you and while some will role there eyes, I have said this all tongue in cheek, but, in all honestly some of this happens – Futsal people just want to play Football just want the bureaucracy and will enforce no matter what
WOW toepoke talk about reminisce – for a minute there I thought I was reading a copy of the 1922 FFA manual !
Unfortunately futsal in the Newcastle / Central Coast area is no better off than it was 20 years ago. You now have eager parents who want to get involved (good on ya) but , as they will discover, it is so difficult when clubs in their area just do their own thing and are probably run by private operators not interested in futsals’ development.
Ok, everyone in Newcastle/Central Coast Futsal circles. I will put up my hand to run Futsal for NNSW and I will guarantee you it will be the best run department & competition around.
If NNSW will meet my current wage, which isn’t huge, I am happy to devote myself to getting things moving from far up North right down to Narara. I agree it needs a full time person devoted to it and I am happy to do it, for the love of the sport.Peter and Dave have a million projects going in Football and must find it hard to get into developing futsal as well.
I have already gone into fielding a NNSW side in Super League and once people realise that it is a big commitment,that you can’t just ring up and forfeit without being penalised and the number of teams that have to be supplied every week (not to mention the travelling) they soon lose interest.
A lot of people in this area think that the world begins @ Maitland & ends at Swansea so can you imagine them travelling to Canberra or Wollongong to play futsal. They wouldn’t support the NNSW Premier League in 2008 and the furthest they had to go was Taree once in the season.
What we need is our own “elite” competition, backed by the NBN and 2HD football clubs. If you made it a requirement that the clubs field futsal teams in say 12 Boys,15 Boys, Youth and Mens and the same in the girls/ladies for the first couple of seasons it would make a big difference, especially if sanctioned by NNSW Football.
Some players are concerned that they will not be selected for football rep sides if they are futsal players, and we really need to dispel that myth.
For a second justme got me quite excited…….. but oh too soon he/she needs backing from OMG “football clubs ” ! and wait for it “dispel that myth” It aint no myth when you use FUTSAL and football in the same paragraph or breath !
What happens to futsal during the winter months…justme ?
We are flat out getting a decent competition going in the summer months,F.Sala, without trying to tackle the winter at this stage.
Like it or not, most players in NNSW only think of Futsal as an “off season” game that can help their football. A lot of the older football coaches don’t like it because they associate futsal (wrongly) with indoor soccer, you know, the one where you bounce the ball of the walls? Not much skill there.
By trying to get the “mainstream” football clubs on side we have some chance of having Futsal considered as a seperate but beneficial code to assist to make better footballers.
The ones that love playing Futsal, because it’s futsal, not football, will do what they are already doing and have done for a long time. That is making the trip down the F3 to play in Premier/Super league in Sydney. These are the truly dedicated futsal players who want to play in a decent competition.They would play 12 months a year if there was a competition to play in and a light at the end of the tunnel for selection for rep teams etc.
What I want to see is the many kids who don’t know or aren’t allowed to play Futsal in NNSW, because we don’t have a “proper” competition, get a good competition to play in.
If that means getting the backing of some of our blue ribbon clubs e.g. Olympic, Magic, Edgeworth etc and getting them involved, well I don’t have a problem with it.
Anyway, the way I look at it it doesn’t really matter how we achieve a result (barring anything illegal)as long as we get there in the end.
You and I know Futsal is a stand alone sport but believe me, up here we are definately not preaching to the converted. Lots of the coaches for football think people pick up heaps of injuries from Futsal, another old furphy, but it is only by getting them involved, if only as observers, that we can ever hope to change their opinion.
justme, Question ? If you truly want futsal to succeed in the Newcastle area (NNSW is always Coffs to Tweed to me ! lol) and I do believe you do, why not approach Vikings to use their loyalty to the sport and their experience e.g. Tweed down to Port Mac. Vikings have experienced all of the woes that you face!
Its not about them v us – its about the sport succeeding in its own right a la Brasil.
Football have tried unsuccessfully to start futsal north of you, they dont care if it doesn’t succeed !
To all NNSW intersted futsal parties. As mentioned by “Just Me” NNSW biggest Futsal Cub, Hunter Strikers will hopefully be doing Futsal Academies for selected / invited persons with the ENDORSEMENT of NNSWF.
I feel that finally NNSW Football may have a better understanding of Futsal in the NNSW area with a lot of good initiatives and ideas coming out from the Canberra Nationals. I keep my fingers cross that they will all be introduced with dew time. The academy is the first step.
“Concerned parent” , hang in there.
Your daughter is a top player and we need her and others to keep enjoying and spreading the word on how good Futsal is. As “keeper 1″ indicated , all the teams will be better for the experiance as will hopefully NNSWF.
“Chocolate Sauce” , “My Family and ourselves have and will continue to have discusions with NNSWF in providing idea’s and ways for Futsal growth in NNSW. Unfortunately unlike the other states we do not have a Futsal standing committee as such or Futsal Department.
What pleases me is that passionate experiance people like “Just me ” and others are hanging in there with us and TOGETHER WE WILL make a differance.
Thank you to all the Futsal coaches , supporters and players in the NNSW area .Over the last 12 years we have grown rapidly and better days will be ahead. Rest of the states ‘Look out for Northern”, city and country.
F.Sala,
I know this is off thread, but I couldn’t help noticing that the winners of the U11’s Grand Final were nun-other than ‘NSW Central Coast’.
The very same ‘NSW Central Coast’ that DIDNT win at the FNSW State titles.
The very same ‘NSW Central Coast’ that… get this! DOESNT PLAY FUTSAL!
The lads play great football (their MAIN sport of choice), though also enjoy playing futsal (when their not playing football).
This got me thinking about two things:
1. How does a team that doesn’t even ’specialise’ in futsal win your nationals?
and
2. Why do you always display negativity whenever ‘football’ is mentioned? Do you shiver when you hear the word ‘cricket’?
1) a team that doesn’t “specialise” in futsal can always win when I’m not coaching their opposition.
2)Mainly because I have to do the work that football organisations fail to do for our children. Football at junior level is very poor, now I have to teach kids how to catch a football (as well) cos your infamous FFA decided to (re-invent the game)and exclude junior g/ks – bet Schwarzer was really impressed !
Your idea of ‘GREAT’ football and mine are obviously miles apart ! Football cant run football properly yet so why (apart from the money) should they stuff up futsal ???
My god you are arrogant and self-centered Ian Bentall. I wasn’t aware the success of futsal in australia relied entirely on you and your amazing skills.
You are doing some genuine damage to vikings on this site.
I appreciate your recognition of my amazing skills and the subsequent compliments…Thank you Smithy.
At age 11 I say they are not specialised soccer players either. Bet they play cricket, basketball touch etc at school, ride their skateboards etc after school. They are kids with ability who play sport, which is awesome.
I can’t speak for Fsala, but my gripe with Football pretending to have an interest in Futsal is they don’t do the sport justice. In their own (and I see yours)words they see it something they do when they are not playing football.
The sport will never grow in Australia with that type of attitude. Football in this country has created zero pathways for Futsal players (in case anyone is wondering the Futsal mens world cup has been around a lot longer than any interest by the FFA)
There is a trend around the world for specialist Futsal organisations popping up due to the lake of interest taken in the game by their football association.
Ian Bentall
My daughter played down in Canberra (16 girls) & enjoyed every minute of it regardless of the score. She would love it if everything proposed by justme gets up & going with the support of everyone who has been whinging about things, the only thing that would stop us from participating in something like this at the moment would be time constraints as she has been selected in a WPL team for outdoor this year, the travelling aspect of it wouldn’t worry us as she has played in development teams & SYL teams so we are used to travelling anywhere from Tamworth, Port Mac, Coffs Harbour, down to the Central Coast, etc.
So all I have to say is instead of whinging about everything that isn’t happening get in there & help get something going.
All the best with everything “justme” I wish you all the best with the ideas that you have & would love to help if I can.
@ Futsal Die Hard, the following comment was made by you
“Concerned parent” , hang in there.
Your daughter is a top player and we need her and others to keep enjoying and spreading the word on how good Futsal is.
Thanks for the wrap for my daughter, my only concern is how do you know she is a “top player” unless you specifically know who she is & from this forum I don’t think that you would be able to identify her, if you think you know which particular girl she was from the team please tell everyone her name.